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- From: pennbo@verizon.net
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- Subject: Re: [MSAR] MSAR Standards
- Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:54:26 -0600 (CST)
Good post Dion. And something that I have been repeating to my team ad nauseum for awhile. It's now coming true for us- and I really dont' think it's a bad thing. Personally I would prefer to be on a mission with folks whose training is of a similar quality to mine- so I know I can trust their actions and reactions (or at least I've got a good chance of it since our training requirements will be the same). Our county is tightening up their requirements and standards- but our neighboring counties dont' all have the same consistency of training. That's problematic when doing mutual aid missions.
As to those who "can't find their way out of a paper bag" I think they exist no matter the certifications they have or dont' have. When we all start taking more responsibilities for our teams, and their skills, we'll find ways to assign those folks to jobs they CAN be good at- and keep them out of the field. :-) After all, we should know our own teams better than anyone else.
Chris
So. Cal.
Mar 10, 2010 08:22:38 PM, msar-riders@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
HI Folks!While I am not directly involved with providing MSAR response, I am involved at the State level with establishing State accepted credentials for ALL responders including non-paid, volunteers. My involvement is as a consultant to State level EM's in 3 different states. I can assure you that they are moving towards limiting response to those SAR operators (including MSAR) having National level credentials. They will likely do this through regulatory means. The Feds are working to take this a step further by enforcing this via DHS grant(s) withdrawal for non-compliance.Now we can play ostrich and stick our heads in the sand and have this foisted upon us, or we can be pro-active. If NASAR is the only agency providing a national level testing, get involved to make the testing criteria valid. If you don't like NASAR then start your own NATIONAL level organization (quickly) and create your own. Either way, the future is for National level or State level credentialing, just like all the other public safety responders. We are indeed "on the radar" and it will become more wide spread quickly.Of course, most current statutes and regulations allow for a local jurisdiction (city or county) to use responders WITHIN ITS CONFINES, without regard to "outside" requirements. However, as soon as you step over your county line to respond, you'll become required to comply with the higher level credentials.Personally, I have challenges with NASAR, NDDA, NPWDA, etc., and especially all the individual team (ground, canine, msar, man-tracking) "certifications". As an "all hazard" IC (except structural fire), I find too many "certified" responders can't find their way out of the staging area, let alone be valuable as a SAR resource. So let's stop arguing about whether we need credentialing. The fact is we do, it's coming, and we can be a part of the process to incorporate our individual opinions, or go find another vocation for your time.BTW - If you consider yourself a "professional" (unpaid is still professional), you should always be looking to enhance your (outside) education and certifications. That will cost money. If you think you can be a SAR professional and not have it cost substantial dollars, you too need to find another "hobby".Ok...Rant off!!Sincere regards to all,Dion
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[MSAR] MSAR Standards,
Dion Petaros, 03/10/2010
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Re: [MSAR] MSAR Standards,
Una Smith, 03/11/2010
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Re: [MSAR] MSAR Standards,
Hill, Victoria L., 03/11/2010
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Re: [MSAR] Reaction to Dion,
Irvin Lichtenstein , 03/11/2010
- Re: [MSAR] Reaction to Dion, E.S., 03/11/2010
- Re: [MSAR] MSAR Standards, Una Smith, 03/11/2010
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Re: [MSAR] Reaction to Dion,
Irvin Lichtenstein , 03/11/2010
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Re: [MSAR] MSAR Standards,
Hill, Victoria L., 03/11/2010
- Re: [MSAR] MSAR Standards, T'mi Finkle, 03/11/2010
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- Re: [MSAR] MSAR Standards, pennbo, 03/10/2010
- Re: [MSAR] MSAR Standards, Karen Nesbitt, 03/11/2010
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Re: [MSAR] MSAR Standards,
Una Smith, 03/11/2010
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