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  • From: "Tom Jasperson" <frshstrt AT baldwin-telecom.net>
  • To: <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Cc: frshstrt AT baldwin-telecom.net
  • Subject: [Market-farming] Re: Mr. Big Pea
  • Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:28:46 -0500

Pat, I grow mR Big and it is a garden pea Tall over 4 ft 9-10 peas in pod.
Gurneys was one company owned by the same corporation which filed for
bancruptcy- they are basicly a company which in my past experience is not
that reliable on knowledge of the products they sell. Lu Jasperson
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> 1. Re: Market-farming Digest, Vol 5, Issue 23 (KTCopsey AT aol.com)
> 2. Supplying product to a CSA? (David Heininger)
> 3. Mr. Big Peas (Pat Rupiper)
> 4. Re: Advice/nothing to harvest (Robert Farr)
> 5. Fw: WVU Organic Research Farm Field Day, August 7, 2003 (Liz Pike)
> 6. RE: Gophers/Moles (Laurie)
> 7. Re: Mr. Big Peas (Alliums)
> 8. Re: Re: Mr. Big Peas (Lucy Goodman)
> 9. new member (MEGAULT AT aol.com)
> 10. Sustainable Ag liks (Art Petrzelka)
> 11. Field Day in NJ (robert schuler)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 22:53:04 EDT
> From: KTCopsey AT aol.com
> Subject: [Market-farming] Re: Market-farming Digest, Vol 5, Issue 23
> To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
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> In a message dated 6/9/03 7:43:05 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> market-farming-request AT lists.ibiblio.org writes:
>
> > When you sell processed foods at market do you use a commercial kitchen
or
> > is
> > there a way around this?
> >
> >
>
> I think this very much depends on which state you are in right now - there
> are runours that the Fed govt may eventually make guidelines (but we will
> problably all be dead befor e they do that one!!). Anyway - yes processed
food had
> to be done with the blessing of the local/state Health Dept. In Indiana
that
> includes a commercial kitchen for everything from putting stuff into bags
and
> clamshells up to anysort of cooking. Some alternatives include using a
church
> kitchen to cook and a u-store type place for the storage (but they must
come
> up to state guidelines). Bottom line though - talk to your health dept
and
> see what they say - they are really nasty if you circumvent them and its
worth
> making friends with them.
> Katy
> Living just one cornfield away from civilization
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 22:57:05 -0700
> From: "David Heininger" <xxchef AT wmonline.com>
> Subject: [Market-farming] Supplying product to a CSA?
> To: "Market-Farming" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Hi Group
>
> We've discussed CSA's a lot here in the past few months, usually from a
> grower/supplier/manager point of view. I have a different situation I'd
> like some advice on.
>
> We have almost completed our certification work to become the first legal
> goat dairy in Arizona. We'll be concentrating on artisan cheeses but will
> also be making and selling a line of fine confections (goat milk fudge,
> chocolate truffles etc) and a wide selection of other homesteading
products
> (soaps, honey, herbs etc) and are looking at selling to CSAs.
>
> There are some very active CSAs in the state (several hundred members),
run
> by co-ops or colleges that don't actually grow very many of their
offerings,
> but purchase most of them from local farmers and act primarily as a
> distribution center. They often run 3 or 4 "sessions" a year, roughly
> coinciding with the seasons of the year. This is possible because some of
> the supplying farms are in the low desert valleys where they have nearly a
> 365-day annual growing season.
> I've been in contact with a couple of them to see if they are interested
in
> offering their members some our products and the response has been very
> positive. Now, before things go too much further, I need to understand a
> little better how this type of CSA might operate.
> I know that there's a lot of room for individualization in this area but
is
> there anybody in the group who has either supplied a CSA or who operates
one
> that regularly purchases from outside sources? I've got a ton of
questions
> on everything from the typical contracts/commitments for both parties
> (annual performance contract, seasonal, month-to-month?) to pricing
> (wholesale, retail or somewhere in between?) and payment questions
(accounts
> receivable, cash at delivery, pay in advance?) as well as queries
regarding
> normal packaging expectations of CSAs (individually portioned or bulk?)
etc.
>
> Of course, I'll have to settle all of these questions with the CSA
managers
> on a one-to-one basis, but it'd be nice to have a little something to go
on
> as a starting place on where their expectations may be.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
> Northern Arizona, USA
> www.BlackMesaRanchOnline.com
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 05:37:46 -0400
> From: "Pat Rupiper" <arupiper AT bright.net>
> Subject: [Market-farming] Mr. Big Peas
> To: <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I received a $10 group of seeds from Gurney's as a package (no choice in
seeds). Contained were two garden pea packages. Both are now bearing but I
don't know when to pick. The first is Mr. Big and the package said that it
was 24 inch plants and to harvest when they just begin to fill out. Well,
the plants are around 4 ft. the pods are 5 - 7 inches and not filling out.
they are not the 'doubles produced at the top of the plant for easy
picking"! I called the company last week but got shuffled around and have
not received any type of answer. I figure they are snow peas.
> The other is Early Alaska. The same with the statement and the vines but
they are plumping. It states "plump 2 1/2 inch pods that cook up smooth."
> Does this mean that the pods are edible? Can anyone give me the correct
harvest stage?
> I am a farmer's market gardener in southern Ohio. I grow chemical free but
am not certified as price is too high and return is too low.
> Thank you. Pat
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:40:56 -0400
> From: Robert Farr <rbfarr AT erols.com>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Advice/nothing to harvest
> To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Shelly and All:
>
> To find out all you need to know - and more! - about selling processed
> food, log-on to the FDA's Center for Food Safety and Nutrition web site,
> http://www.cfsan.fda.gov.
>
> Having been in the packaged foods business for more than four years, I
> can guide you through a bit of this. Lemme know what you need to know!
>
> --
> Robert Farr
> The Chile Man
> (540) 668-7160
>
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> and barbecue.
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> * Open Houses and Farm Tours throughout the year. See our web site for
> details!
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:15:11 -0400
> From: "Liz Pike" <liz AT laughingbrookfarm.com>
> Subject: [Market-farming] Fw: WVU Organic Research Farm Field Day,
> August 7, 2003
> To: "Market Farming" <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Kotcon"
> To: <SANET-MG AT LISTS.IFAS.UFL.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:47 AM
> Subject: WVU Organic Research Farm Field Day, August 7, 2003
>
>
> WVU Organic Research Farm Field Day, August 7, 2003
>
>
> West Virginia University's Division of Plant and Soil Sciences is
> hosting its 3rd annual Organic Field Day on Thursday, August 7th at the
WVU
> Organic Research Farm located on Rt. 705 in Morgantown, WV.
> The Field Day is open to the public and anyone interested in
> organic farming is encouraged to attend.
> The Field Day will include a wagon tour of research and
> demonstration plots emphasizing transitional practices for growers
> considering converting from conventional to organic practices. Several
> demonstrations will be conducted on livestock, poultry, and pasture
> management, ground cover and insect control, tillage equipment and lots
> more!
> A dinner featuring organic produce grown on the Farm is planned
> for 6:00 PM that evening. If you're interested in learning more about
> organic farming, some of the practices used, or are just curious as to
what
> it's all about, feel free to stop out and enjoy the evening with us!
> Gates will open Thursday, August 7th at 3:00 PM and will close at
> 7:00 PM. You are encouraged to pre-register with Dave Mazon via e-mail
> at: <dmazon1 AT mix.wvu.edu>. For more information, call Dr. Jim Kotcon at
> 304-293-3911 ext. 2230. We hope to see you there!
>
> Directions to the WVU Organic Research Farm:
> From I-68, take Exit 7 and go west on Rt. 857, 1 mile to Rt. 119 (second
> stop light). Turn Left onto Rt.119 (south) for 1.5 mile.
> At the second stop light, turn right onto Rt. 705.
> Look for the driveway on the left (ΒΌ mile) for the WVU Plant and Soil
> Sciences Farm.
>
>
>
>
>
> *****
> Jim Kotcon
> 304-293-3911 ext. 2230 (office)
> 304-293-2872 (fax)
> 304-594-3322 (home)
> West Virginia University
> Division of Plant and Soil Sciences
> 401 Brooks Hall, P. O. Box 6058
> Morgantown, WV 26506
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:31:57 -0500 (CDT)
> From: OdieAnn AT webtv.net (Laurie)
> Subject: [Market-farming] RE: Gophers/Moles
> To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID:
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>
> Have you tried using laundry detergent? Purchase some cheap powder
> laundry detergent...put some in the holes. I haven't tried this for
> gophers, but it works wonders for moles. If this don't work...get some
> spearment juicy fruit gum. Use rubber gloves, unwrap and put in holes.
> Laurie Olson
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:30:56 -0400
> From: Alliums <garlicgrower AT earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Market-farming] Re: Mr. Big Peas
> To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20030610082901.00a3e0a0 AT pop.earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Pat wrote:
> > I figure they are snow peas.
>
> I think you're right. Go ahead and try one and see if you want to eat it
at
> the stage it's in.
>
> >The other is Early Alaska.
>
> It's a dry soup pea. You can eat them fresh, but they aren't very
> sweet. Let them dry on the vine and then thresh and store them like you
> would dry beans.
>
>
>
> Dorene Pasekoff, Coordinator
> St. John's United Church of Christ Organic Community Garden
>
> A mission of
> St. John's United Church of Christ, 315 Gay Street, Phoenixville, PA
19460
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 21:41:24 -0400
> From: Lucy Goodman <goodows AT infinet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Market-farming] Re: Mr. Big Peas
> To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <3EE5D2AC.CC167826 AT infinet.com>
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> Pat,
>
> The Mr. Big pea sounds a lot like Oregon Giant. You can pick and eat
> these at any stage but the bigger they are the better they sell.
>
> BTW where in S. Ohio are you? I am in SW Ohio
>
>
>
> Lucy Goodman
> Boulder Belt Organics
> New Paris, OH
> Check out the Boulder Belt website:
> http://www.angelfire.com/oh2/boulderbeltcsa
> "There is no way to peace---peace is the way."
> A.J. Muste
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:45:11 EDT
> From: MEGAULT AT aol.com
> Subject: [Market-farming] new member
> To: market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <54.13073b23.2c172cd7 AT aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> My name is Megan Ault, and I run a small market garden from my suburban
back
> yard in Bozeman, Montana. Bozeman is in zone 4, elevation 5,000 feet. We
are
> surrounded by mountains and are about an hour outside Yellowstone National
> Park. Perhaps in part because Bozeman is a college town, there is a good
Co-op
> here, and a strong demand for local and sustainably grown food.
> Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately for me, there are not enough growers
to fill the
> demand, so anything pulled from the ground is practically met by grabbing
hands.
>
> This time last summer I was working in an office thinking, "I wish I could
be
> home with my boys, I wish I was in the garden." I quit my job last
> September, and this season has been so exciting for me, because I'm able
to be home
> with my three sons and am putting my acre of suburban sprawl to work,
gradually
> tearing out lawn and replacing it with raised beds. The growing area is
> currently around 3,000 square feet, with plans to increase by 1/3 this
year. I made
> my first sale a week ago; sold 5 pounds of Johnny's allstar gourmet
lettuce
> mix, some chives and spinach to a local restaurant owned by a Chef's
> Collaborative member, who is dedicated to using local food.
>
> I'm really feeling connected to the "growing world" via this list, and
> appreciate all that I am learning from you more experienced market
growers.
>
> Best,
> Megan Ault
> Mountainview Gardens
>
> p.s. We are getting lots of rain here too, but it is a blessing because
for
> the past few years we've had drought and forest fires.
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:02:04 -0500
> From: Art Petrzelka <art AT complum.com>
> Subject: [Market-farming] Sustainable Ag liks
> To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <200306100702.04491.art AT complum.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I don't know how many of you are using old methods, but after sending this
to
> another list, I realized that Market Gardeners may appreciate this, too. I
> find that I'm doing a lot of things that the Ag Extension tells me aren't
> possible in Iowa. Maybe you have similar experiences.
> ----------
>
> I'm trying to revive the sustainable agriculture that I grew up with, and
> being organic certified, I find old ag texts more relevant to me than
modern
> ones.
> Some of my favorite old farm-oriented online books can be found at :
>
> Small Farm Library at Journey to Forever (also a great site.
> http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html
>
> Ye Olde Forage Library
> http://www.caf.wvu.edu/~forage/library/
>
> Soil And Health Library, including
> The Holistic Agriculture Library, The Personal Sovereignty Library,
> The Alternative Medical Therapies Library,
> http://www.soilandhealth.org/index.html
>
> The Core Historical Literature of Agriculture
> http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/chla/
>
> A Modern Herbal
> http://www.botanical.com/
>
> The National Agricultural Library (a lot of modern stuff here, but...)
> http://www.nal.usda.gov/
>
> The Making of America (not exclusively ag-related, but searchable)
> http://moa.umdl.umich.edu/
> --
> Art Petrzelka
> Amana, Iowa
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:09:42 -0400
> From: robert schuler <sunnfarm AT bellatlantic.net>
> Subject: [Market-farming] Field Day in NJ
> To: Market Farming <market-farming AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <3EE5E6A3.800E71E0 AT bellatlantic.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> The Muth family farm is having a transition to organic field day on June
> 20'th, pre register at NOFA-NJ by 6/16, call 609-737-6848.
> Presentations will be by the Rodale Institute, the Northeast Organic
> Network, the Northeast Organic Farming Assc. and our beloved ag agent
> Michelle who is smarter than all the other guys put together.
> Bob Muth is one of the top vegetable growers in the state he plants
> about 80 acres with I think 4 acres becoming organic. He mastered raised
> bed plastic culture staked bell peppers back in the 80's, He was pushing
> the 2000 bushel per acre pepper mark when we were getting 500. So there
> is much you can learn from this guy.
> Put your " How To" books away and attend this field day...Bob.
> Sunny Meadow Farm
> Bridgeton, NJ.
>
>
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