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  • From: Dan Conine <dconine@bertramwireless.com>
  • To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] We already grow enough
  • Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 13:43:52 -0500

Well said.
The point that doesn't get considered, however, is not that humans are an accessory (consumers), but that they have the potential to be useful to the soil process and also to work to stabilize some of the natural fluctuations over time (We have shown that we can change the climate, so we can also help stabilize it if we choose to. We can also establish permaculture ecosystems and maintain them, protect against asteroid impacts, and moderate wildlife through hunting and replenishment work.)

Most of the physical activity of humans at this point is wasted on 'economic' models that religiously promote perpetual growth and overconsumption. (We have replaced our own usefulness to the food system with oil/chemicals.)

Is this likely to change? Yes. It doesn't look like it's going to be intentional, however.

We are at a point in the development of organic life where the experiment testing the validity of intentions/imagination/belief has reached a climax. We either will change our behavior, proving intentionality to be useful to future species (whether or not they include man), or the experiment will fail with the depopulation of humans and possibly start over again under less convenient circumstances.

In the meantime, all of the questions about population, economics, nationalism and history will be compared to the question of whether humans can be useful to their own future (creating/enhancing resources) or be nothing but unintentional yeast: totally dependent on random circumstances and unable to act on those circumstances in their own better interest.

Dan C
Belgium, WI

On 5/1/2012 11:00 AM, livingontheland-request@lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
From: "D Fox"<cdfox@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] We already grow enough (Tradingpost)
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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:35:56 -0600
From: "Tradingpost"<tradingpost@lobo.net>
Subject: [Livingontheland] We already grow enough
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This report is of limited value as it is evaluated on yardsticks hanging
from sky hooks.
True there is a massive overproduction of human edible food, much of which
has reduced nutritional content and also has additional additives not
intended by nature.
Nature is the REAL DEAL not the synthetically modified environment.
The volume produced artificially has increased significantly, 25%+ but
without consultation with nature.
If you have a vehicle with a maximum design payload of say 10 tons and you
now load it to 12.5 tons the vehicle may carry the additional load for a
short time but extra maintains and parts replacement will be required on the
vehicle and the road, our landscapes and oceans are no different.
The current excess production over requirements must be converted into SOIL
FOOD production and not to alternative fuel. (Forget the ?who will pay?
chorus)
Globally there is to be a major soil restructure and maintains program to be
addressed, much of our land surface has been changed into desert or non
arable soil, this has happened over thousands of years and has been
recognised for a couple of thousand years with no action.
The limitation to progress is Western Society synthetic trading currency to
support an artificial economy.
Nature has a proven trading currency called Photosynthesis, Nature does not
recognise money.
Humans are optional extras on this planet, the planet does not need humans
but humans need this planet.
It is a ?walk in the park? to feed 50 Billion humans with what nature has
provided us, without restructure of human expectations, the ?Who Will Pay?
will be our grand children?s great grandchildren.
Douglas Fox.






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