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  • From: Smittyctz6 <cityhomesteader@gmail.com>
  • To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Cities (Astyk's blog)
  • Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:57:04 -0500

This is ridiculous and probably from someone that lives on a nice piece of land bigger than they need.. 
This is what we have to do?  Kill 100,000 people so that a few elite can survive. I think we need to kill people that feel that way and save the world from them. out of those 100,000 people 75% will be women and children. 10% will be elderly and the sick..   There is not enough land to support abandoning the cities.
Why not make the cities more functional and self sustaining. Heck we do have the Technology.
If every huge building within a city could have solar panels installed on their roofs and if every telephone pole or tower was turned over to some form of wind mill?  There is your energy.. Food can be grown hydroponically and fish  with aquaponic's Water Filtration and remediation can be done with Living Machines!   http://www.livingmachines.com/
Cities are more sustainable than out lying small holders who take up great tracks of land for personal gain with out investing back into society. Take all those lands and turn them into real farms to raise Animals for meat Naturally.. Not beef, but maybe hybrids that are smaller and use less fodder to put on meat. Or do away with Red meat and eat more farm raised fish. 
But nah..lets just nuke the cities..  kill millions of people..  The problem all boils down to greed and avarice in one form or another. The money used to support a sustainable life is in the hands of selfs bastards that don't give a fly crap for anything but getting richer and they don't care how many they take down as long as they get to climb over the bodies to reach the top of the pile..

I got a plan!!  Let's put idiots that write this crap in a cage fatten them up and eat them

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 8:12 AM, dan conine <dconine@bertramwireless.com> wrote:
The defining factor as to whether a city or town is sustainable is it's
Net Usefulness. Does the presence of the city or town add value to the
farms and villages surrounding it? If it only consumes resources
(imported oil, imported food, imported people, imported trinkets) and
doesn't provide useful labor or goods above what it consumes, then you
should get out. In other words, is there a natural demand for that
particular concentration of bodies, or does it simply exist because of
inertia and money? Is it a shining inspiration of cooperation or a black
hole sucking up everything within its reach?

I used to think we should just nuke any city over 100,000 and we would
be better off as a country. Sharon thinks 1,000,000 (She doesn't say it
that way, but abandoning a city is equivalent to bombing it...). I think
most on this list would agree that anything over 1000 or so is probably
just a scam to suck value(including youth) away from the land and
provide cannon fodder for the war mongers who think there is always
another place to steal resources from.

I think of cities as giant barns (CHFOs..combined human feeding
operations), but nobody in charge seems to understand that they need to
cull the herds as long as they get so many government subsidies to keep
them operating.
Civilization (city-based thinking by definition) and sentience are not
all they are cracked up to be. Urbanites (and sub-urbanites and
ex-urbanites) think they are smarter than farmers because they have more
money. When the money is worthless, they demand that they be taken care
of by the farmers or the mobs band together and chain the farmers up.
When is the Farmers' Union going to call for a 'preventive war'? How
about a "1 Percent Doctrine"?
Sure, we can imagine peaceable rural and semi-rural areas where we feed
our neighbors and help each other survive the coming Imperial Collapse,
but the vast chasm between 1,000,000 people per square mile and .5
people per square mile is going to be a problem unless cannibalism
becomes fashionable again.

Dan C


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