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  • From: Emery Mitchamore <emitch@att.net>
  • To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] Permaculture - Farms for the Future
  • Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:14:39 -0600

I'm sorry, but you missed the point.  It appears that a limited introduction to Permaculture (perhaps from those selling courses), has given you the wrong impression.  If you have the time during some of your housebound weather, and are curious, study it some more and you will find some useful tools for implementing exactly the methods and techniques you advocate.  I've studied it enough to know that there is no contradiction between your methods and what Permaculture advocates. In addition, there is much to offer for environments and circumstances different from yours.  In fact, Permaculture offers precisely the tools needed for the scenarios you describe.

On Jan 17, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Tradingpost wrote:


My response to permaculture is this:  In the near term the urgent need is for millions to learn to produce all they can in as little space as possible. Why? The perfect storm - too many people, not enough good land, abrupt climate changes, rising fossil fuel-derived fertilizer & pesticide costs and falling income, and an economy running on fumes.  And Peak Oil, but also rising prices in *anticipation* of Peak Oil. That's right. Nations hoarding and speculators driving up prices will be in the news. Full oil tankers are waiting to sell, lying off the coasts right now in anticipation of higher prices later. Even in recession now, global demand is predicted to outstrip supply by at least 10% this decade (except the IEA feels sure the Saudis can take up the slack. They can't). In theory a mere 15% shortfall can drive oil to $500 a barrel. The powers that be know this. They plan for it; the people don't. They know we are in the post-Peak "plateau" currently and long wars are being
 fought to control oil & gas producing countries. For obvious reasons they don't want to panic the markets.

The effects? Big cities where population is dense will soon need all the space they can get for growing cheaply, with as little high priced food transported from outside as possible. Towns and rural areas will need the same since big farms hog most agricultural land and their fossil fuel input costs and prices keep rising. In town and country many people need to learn efficient growing in adverse soil & climate conditions, simply because there are too many people to feed and so much land has been ruined by industrial agribusiness. Topsoil depletion and water scarcity are widespread problems in agricultural areas. Most of us simply can't pick and choose where we'd love to have our "permaculture" design.

I'm not foolish enough to draw up a timeline on this, but the direction is unavoidable. As in what we need to salvage some community food security. One of the sources for my comments was Heinberg's essay "Fifty Million Farmers". As for the "shift" you mentioned, my view is people will do what they need to do when forced to by economic conditions. One sign of this now is increased savings and less spending.

paul tradingpost@lobo.net


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On 1/17/2010 at 2:56 PM Tommy Tolson wrote:

I lived in a Permaculture design in Santa Rosa, CA when I was married  
to my first wife.  From the second year, its food forest produced  
food.  We planted annuals on berms of adobe clay that we amended with  
shell flour, kept mulched with straw, and watered with drip  
irrigation.  Everything we planted grew like crazy.  The marriage  
didn't.

I've seen the change that happens when people realize that part of  
Transition is inner transformation.  When I got to Austin, local  
Permaculture was all about gardening, and I objected to that.  It's  
part of Permaculture but not nearly all of it.  Permaculture is about  
building functioning ecosystems which happen to produce food for all  
the creatures who make their living from that land.  It's still a lot  
more esoteric than it should be by now.  Stewart Brand, I think, said  
long ago, "We're as gods, so we may as well get good at it."

I, too, think we've run out of time.  The national government wages  
wars for the oil to keep up our unsustainable consumer society.  We  
sacrificed four thousand dead and no telling how many injured so  
ExxonMobil and Chevron could bid on producing Iraq's oil.  When US  
fossil fuel interests got the inside track at Copenhagen, it was all  
over.  We can't afford mitigation, but we can far less afford climate  
change.

Jamie Dimon, CEO of JPMorganChase, wondered this week when the  
recovery would start.  Real recoveries are not jobless.  The economic  
paradigm can't see ecological constraints.

My hope is that people proactively engage the process now to create  
the future they want to live after the economic paradigm falls and the  
ecological paradigm replaces it.  Growing one's own food is, I think,  
a necessary element of getting through the crisis part of that  
paradigm shift.  But it's only an element.  The shift itself is the  
system, and I hope it can be consciously negotiated.  We need to re-
learn how to build community, and learn how to create cultures that  
support us in "being all we can be."

But the big deal is the crash that the failure at Copenhagen and  
corporate control of Congress almost surely guarantee.  I believe  
community will determine who lives and who doesn't, when the time comes.

Smiles.
Tommy



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