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[matusiak <dave AT matusiak.org>]

okay -- a quick few things:

A: i posted this off-the-hip and then had to leave for the day, knowing 
some discussion might ensue, but limited in my ability to participate.

B: the gathering tonite was very intimate in Raleigh, however, there 
was a great sense of camaraderie and relaxed enjoyment.  everyone 
breathed a collective sigh of relief as we became human again and began 
talking about all that interesting shit in our lives that maybe was 
stowed away for a while.  thanks to Uzi for putting it all together and 
everyone else for showing up.

C: i just got home and have only read this far into this thread, but 
already i've gotta say "Thank Heavens for this group!" as folks post 
informative and thoughtful stuff about all that we discuss.  oh, how 
good this is to see/read.  and i think everyone seems to really like 
Obama -- let us all emulate such good graces.

let the good vibes flow,
dave m.

On Nov 4, 2004, at 4:03 PM, David Minton wrote:

> I thing I am getting tired of reading is that a Majority of Americans 
> voted
> for Bush. This is nowhere near the case. A more accurate description 
> is 52%
> of those that cast a vote for US President, voted for Bush. I believe a
> plurality of registered voters decided not to vote (more than voted for
> Bush).
>
> According to CNN 59,268,900 voted for Bush. According to the CIA World 
> Fact
> book, the US population is 293,027,571 (July 2004 est.):
>
> http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html
>
> According to the US Census Bureau, as of 2003 there were  212,622,000 
> US
> citizens over age 18 living in the US (Cell B32):
>
> http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/foreign/ppl-174/tab01-01.xls
>
> While some may have lost their right to vote, (felons, mentally 
> incompetent,
> etc.), I figure there are at least 195,000,000 eligible voters. 
> According to
> a paper by the Brookings Institute, about 10% of US citizens are not
> eligible to vote, though there are also an unknown number of US 
> citizens
> living abroad who are (they estimate at least 3.5 million):
>
> http://www.brook.edu/views/papers/20040909mcdonald.htm
>
> While I am not disputing that Bush won the election, it was certainly 
> not
> with the support of a majority of Americans, more like 31%. It is 
> shameful
> that more US citizens chose not to vote, than voted for the winner.
>
> David
>
> On 11/4/04 2:47 PM, "Tony Spencer" <tony AT tonyspencer.com> wrote:
>
> > >    http://www.alternet.org/election04/20406/
> >
> > "Nearly 52 percent of all Americans preferred to simply ignore 
> > reality to
> > keep their faith in God and the man who is only too happy to play 
> > messiah."
> >
> > This democrat is oblivious to the problem with his party.  Americans 
> > aren't
> > "ignoring reality".  It is democrats like this writer that are 
> > oblivious to
> > reality.  Those red states don't consist solely of uneducated, 
> > evangelical
> > rednecks "in pickup trucks who think my gay friends are a sin against
> > nature".  Categorizing church goers and/or those that vote for a 
> > Republican
> > candidate as intellectually sub-par, simpletons is not the way to 
> > boost the
> > democrat party.
> >
> > This democrat is out of touch of America along with much of the party.
> > Perhaps Obama can bring the party back in touch.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: matusiak [mailto:dave AT matusiak.org]
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 2:21 PM
> > > To: "Internetworkers:http"@happyhouse.metalab.unc.edu://www.ibibli
> > > o.org/internetworkers/internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Subject: [internetworkers] RE: Erection
> > >
> > > Hey Liberals --
> > >
> > > Where's your God now?
> > >
> > >    
> > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/04/politics/main653667.shtml
> > >    http://www.alternet.org/election04/20406/
> > >
> > > Have a good 4 years.
> > > /drm
> > >
> > > ---