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["Tony Spencer" <tony AT tonyspencer.com>]

That is very clear to you?  Last night he first said Iraq was a mistake, and
very shortly thereafter said Iraq wasn't a mistake.  How is that clear?

Republicans don't have to say anything about flip flop.  Kerry's words speak
for themself.

http://john-kerry.tonyspencer.com/iraq-flip-flop.htm

  

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> [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf 
> Of Evan Zimmerman
> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:08 PM
> To: Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> Subject: Re: [internetworkers] immediate reactions
> 
> :-)
> 
> That stuff'll fly with people who don't follow this stuff, but give me
> a break -- the flip flop thing is a charade. Every replublican
> campaign for years has run that attack because it's so hard to fight.
> But it's truly disingenuous and a distraction from discussion.
> 
> Kerry's message was very clear. The difference between last night and
> recent months is, he finally boiled it down to a sentence instead of a
> speech.
> 
> 
> On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 09:38:14 -0400, Tony Spencer 
> <tony AT tonyspencer.com> wrote:
> > Substance?
> > 
> > Kerry couldn't even stick to one position on Iraq during the debate!
> > 
> > KERRY: "...But the president made a mistake in invading Iraq."
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > LEHRER: "Are Americans now dying in Iraq for a mistake? "
> > 
> > KERRY: "No, and they don't have to, providing we have the 
> leadership that we
> > put -- that I'm offering."
> > 
> > Phew.  Glad he cleared up the confusion.
> > 
> > I agree with you on style.  Bush didn't look good but Kerry 
> lacked a clear
> > message.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > [mailto:internetworkers-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf
> > > Of Sasha Akhavi
> > > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 1:00 AM
> > > To: Ian Meyer; Internetworkers:
> > > http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/
> > > Subject: Re: [internetworkers] immediate reactions
> > >
> > > It wasn't style that tripped Bush up tonight; it was 
> substance.  This
> > > was the most issues-focused debate I have seen in a presidential
> > > election - no outstanding quips, no distracting jabs, 
> just 90 minutes
> > > of Jim Lehrer and John Kerry confronting George Bush about his
> > > policies in Iraq, and George Bush faltering in response.
> > >
> > > 3) big things came out of this debate for me: 1) Kerry seemed more
> > > presidential - more mature, more resolute, more 
> intelligent and less
> > > whiny - than the President and had the opportunity to recast the
> > > "flip-flopping" characterization Bush has tried to level 
> at him; 2)
> > > Bush was shown up as valuing certainty above rectitude, 
> in the face
> > > of all evidence;  3) Kerry reestablished his credentials as a
> > > military leader, and a more circumspect one than the President has
> > > been.  I'm as biased as they come too, but his respect 
> for the people
> > > doing the fighting, and his pledge that their endagerment would be
> > > his last resort, was inescapably more sincere than Bush's.
> > >
> > > ... and after sending out this highly partisan message, 
> I'm going to
> > > be gone for the weekend, so I won't be around to continue the
> > > discussion til Monday.  See y'all then -SA
> > >
> > > >/me has no cable. :'(
> > > >
> > > >but i have to say, damn, i thought bush was supposed to 
> be a great
> > > >debater (resisting saying hes a master debater) and had 
> never lost a
> > > >debate in his life, but he messed that all up.
> > > >
> > > >Now, I'm about as biased as they come, but I'm not above calling
> > > >someone out of he messed things up. There were a few times when I
> > > >wanted to reach out and smack Kerry up side the head, 
> but I was too
> > > >distracted by Bush blinking all the time...or pausing in....the
> > > >middle........
> > > >
> > > >...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >of a sentence to compose himself...
> > > >
> > > >my $0.02
> > > >ian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 00:09:20 -0400, Thomas
> > > <thomas AT tbeckett.com> wrote:
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