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[Tanner Lovelace <lovelace AT wayfarer.org>]

Steven Champeon said the following on 3/24/04 4:58 PM:

> None of this, however, mitigates what appears to be the primary issue:
> that you don't like coercion regardless of whether it serves worthy
> purposes, and you seem to still misunderstand that /all/ of these
> services, SPEWS, RFCi, the SBL, CBL, etc. are /voluntarily/ used by ISPs
> and others because they either agree with the listing criteria, or
> because they're generally well-disposed towards them but misunderstand
> their proper implementation (like anyone using SPEWS L2 to block/reject
> mail). If I wanted to publish a DNSBL zone that only contained "IPs
> associated with Tanner Lovelace", that's up to me, and it's up to
> whoever uses it whether they trust my judgement in doing so. It's not
> really coercion if the provided services are voluntarily adopted, is it?

Steve, that's bullshit and you know it.  Is it voluntary when ISPs
are so scared of offending a listing service that they will disconnect
paying customers who've done no wrong?  It's not called a "blocking"
list for nothing.  These lists that try to hide behind the statement
that it's all voluntary so no one should care are deluded in the first
degree and if you actually believe that then you're not nearly as smart
as I thought you were.

Tanner
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