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  • From: Tanner Lovelace <lovelace AT wayfarer.org>
  • To: "Internetworkers: http://www.ibiblio.org/internetworkers/" <internetworkers AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [internetworkers] contacts or suggestions for dealing with SPEWS
  • Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:06:55 -0500

Steven Champeon said the following on 3/24/04 4:58 PM:

None of this, however, mitigates what appears to be the primary issue:
that you don't like coercion regardless of whether it serves worthy
purposes, and you seem to still misunderstand that /all/ of these
services, SPEWS, RFCi, the SBL, CBL, etc. are /voluntarily/ used by ISPs
and others because they either agree with the listing criteria, or
because they're generally well-disposed towards them but misunderstand
their proper implementation (like anyone using SPEWS L2 to block/reject
mail). If I wanted to publish a DNSBL zone that only contained "IPs
associated with Tanner Lovelace", that's up to me, and it's up to
whoever uses it whether they trust my judgement in doing so. It's not
really coercion if the provided services are voluntarily adopted, is it?

Steve, that's bullshit and you know it. Is it voluntary when ISPs
are so scared of offending a listing service that they will disconnect
paying customers who've done no wrong? It's not called a "blocking"
list for nothing. These lists that try to hide behind the statement
that it's all voluntary so no one should care are deluded in the first
degree and if you actually believe that then you're not nearly as smart
as I thought you were.

Tanner
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Tanner Lovelace | Don't move! Or I'll fill ya full of... little
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