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[Tanner Lovelace <lovelace AT wayfarer.org>]

Steven Champeon said the following on 3/25/04 11:56 AM:


> Tanner, nobody forces anybody to use a DNSBL. That's why they call them
> "voluntary". Nobody forces /me/ to use them, that's for sure, except the
> spammers and the companies that host them and the clueless Windows users
> whose idea of virus protection is an echinacea tablet.

How about all the people who have accounts with ISPs that force their
users to use them?  How about all the people who even though they don't
use them are afraid to offend them lest they be blacklisted?  Like it
or not, the RBLs wield power and saying they're "voluntary" denies
that.

> Your host is a spam support organization. Get used to it, and stop trying
> to explain to me that a few bad apples occasionally squeak by. 
>
> The reason for the listing services in the first place is that ISPs
> /don't/ care about "offending" everyone on the Net who has to deal with
> the fallout from the spammers. That's why I *voluntarily* use the SBL to
> block all port 25 traffic from the netblocks they list, such as the
> following on your host's network (there were only two upthread, now
> there are *four*, though they have removed one, so three of them are
> new, within the last week or so, and they're some of the most well-known
> spammers around, so don't try to argue that Rackspace doesn't know who
> Scott Richter is or who Atriks is):
>
>  http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/sbl.lasso?query=SBL14861
>  http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/sbl.lasso?query=SBL15151
>  http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/sbl.lasso?query=SBL15102
>  http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/sbl.lasso?query=SBL15098

Steve, your memory is slipping here.  I don't have any connection
with Rackspace.  That was Tarus.  I've never mentioned them at all.

> But you're welcome to your opinion. Just don't bother sharing it with me,
> okay? It's obvious you don't want to make progress here, and I'm tired
> of trying to educate you or understand your twisted statements.

My twisted statements?  All I was trying to do was ask what standard
*required* that there be an abuse mailbox.  The standard listed
is unclear.  My feelings on blacklists are something else and all
your "explanations" about them haven't moved my opinion towards
them at all.  In fact, it's the other way around.  Your attitude that
you must "educate" me has probably done more to enforce my feelings
about RBLs than anything else.  If you want to use RBLs, feel free,
but don't expect me to use them or even recommend them to people.

Cheers,
Tanner
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