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["David R. Matusiak" <dave AT matusiak.org>]

heh. and this is exactly the problem that has been so disturbing to me.

all these tech-savvy, broadly-educated, supposedly egalitarian folks 
worldwide and no one can make a definitive statement on anything. so, 
where is this discussion going to take place? do you host a weekly 
conversational salon in your home for these issues? are there a lot of 
attendees?

what is everyone so afraid of?

are you afraid of being wrong?
are you afraid Ashcroft (John, this time) is monitoring this list and 
will detain all those with "Anti-American sentiment"?

*or* are you more afraid that what you think does not matter?
perhaps your feelings of ambivalence towards the governing of this 
country have grown so swollen that you choose to not think or say 
anything?

'cause from where i am sitting, that is all i can see.

my vote does not count.
my voice goes unheard.
my thoughts are irrelevant.

yes, if you are sulking in those shoes, then there is no purpose in 
commenting. you have already been robbed of your motivation(s) to do 
anything. you have no control over your environment and you have 
forfeited your right to participate.

i, on the other hand, am quite interested in seeing if we can eek out 
any remaining life and truth from our previously Democratic system. i 
would like to see the American people have a voice again in how our 
country interacts with the rest of the globe. i am interested in 
finding ways to improve conditions for all world citizens. and i am 
interested in talking about this and getting others to talk about it.

if you want to silence me, then i wish you the best of luck.

thanks to a suggestion by the brilliant Sarah Welna, i propose a local 
meeting devoted entirely to discussion of this topic (Dubya's war, that 
is). it would be great to have as many opinions present as possible, as 
it is never fun to wind up in a meeting where everyone just agrees.

so, yeah - if you want us to blow up Iraq, then come on out and explain 
why. and if you don't want this (for whatever reason) then let that be 
heard, too. anything is better than sitting on the sidelines wondering 
why and feeling sorry for yourself.

i am open to suggestions for a meeting place, time, date and all that.

and Rachel - thanks for your input!

On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 12:49  PM, Rachel Cox wrote:

> At 12:11 PM 10/9/2002 -0400, David R. Matusiak wrote:
> [snip]
> >it pleases me greatly to now see that there are actually 4 (four)
> >people who are thinking about this.
>
> There may be more people thinking about it than feel inclined to share 
> their thoughts on a mailing list.
>
> Cheers!
> -Rachel