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  • From: franksfarm AT aol.com
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  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] Homestead Digest, Vol 92, Issue 4
  • Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 17:16:01 -0500 (EST)


Good to hear from you Lee:)


Lee is quite modest:) Always interesting; always involved in sustainable
design and living, and a fount of good info on a wide variety of subjects.



When I first joined the list I considered turning the place into an
Ecovillage, and bounced a number of ideas of this list, and others.




But to make that work you need a committed core of like minded folks with
skills, and resources to make it work.


Frank in KY
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Today's Topics:

1. Alternative energy (Celia Morgan)
2. Re: The death of a list (Lee Flier)
3. Re: Homestead Digest, Vol 92, Issue 3 (franksfarm AT aol.com)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 12:32:33 -0500
From: Celia Morgan <paxamicus AT earthlink.net>
Subject: [Homestead] Alternative energy
To: "homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org" <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Cc: "<homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>" <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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Have you seen this?
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2012/hybrid-flexible-light-solar-cells-1221.html

"MIT researchers have produced a new kind of photovoltaic cell based on
sheets
of flexible graphene coated with a layer of nanowires. The approach could
lead
to low-cost, transparent and flexible solar cells that could be deployed on
windows, roofs or other surfaces."

I've been trying to talk my husband into doing real solar but the banks of
batteries are an issue for him. He has enough trouble keeping my electro net
hot.


Cheers,

Celia

On Dec 29, 2012, at 5:47 PM, "Fred Enga, Astechman" <fenga AT astechman.com>
wrote:

Well.......I am still sitting on my farm on an island on a river in the
mountains of BC.

I still develop alternative energy process and fight to get funding.

Currently designing small scale electrical generation systems for remote
areas which are powered by waste wood and do not require steam certified
operators to run and that are inherently safe.

Have absolutely no interest in discussing politics, mine or yours, but did
enjoy and find useful many previous discussions.

And, Yes, I too miss Tvo

Gud Jul

Fred


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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:23:46 -0500
From: Lee Flier <lflier AT mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The death of a list
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Yep, I sure am!

We have 179 members - not sure how many actually have active email
addresses.

I've been a part of many online communities over the years, and in my
experience, most of them do seem to have a life cycle. It might be a
vital and vibrant group for 5 to 10 years, but eventually it starts to
resemble a clique - the established folks talking amongst themselves in
a way that discourages new people from participating, or if a newbie
does show up, the senior members get irritated with them asking
questions that have already been discussed to death (not the newbie's
fault, of course). Meanwhile the senior members have run out of things
to talk about and, in the absence of new blood or new subject matter,
the group often just dies out.

That was beginning to happen with this group anyway, and Tvo's death was
a particularly tough blow. But for awhile, instead of just dying out,
the group became completely dominated by political discussion. Any small
suggestions I made to the effect that this might not be good for the
health of the group were greeted by an avalanche of hostility from a
couple of long time members who apparently thought the merest attempt to
steer the conversation in a different direction was "censorship" and
abuse of my moderating privileges.

I found this a truly bizarre attitude, and I'm not at all interested in
being a babysitter. I felt that if this type of discussion was what most
of the established community wanted, I wasn't going to interfere - I
would simply withdraw from discussion (since I had no interest in
participating) and do nothing except keep the lights on and the spam
cleared. I'm not really able to turn over control of the list to someone
else - this server space is here because of a personal connection of
mine, and frankly I did not want to draw attention to what this group
had become. Had the host seen what was going on here he would have just
shut the list down immediately. So, eventually it simply died out and I
figured that if anyone else was that interested in re-kindling the list,
there are plenty of other places to do it (Yahoo and Google groups,
Facebook, etc.)

Of course I'd be happy if the good discussions started up here again. I
do miss the old days of the list, and it's nice to hear from some of you
folks that I have not been in touch with elsewhere. :)

On 12/29/2012 5:29 PM, Robert Walton wrote:
> So is there a way to find out how many subscribers are on this list?
> Lee???? You out there by any chance?
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 29, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Robert Walton wrote:
>>
>>> The political talk seemed the cause of the final throes of this list,
>> but I
>>> think that it ran deeper and maybe was a symptom and not the cause. There
>>> was a time when this list was a place to ask questions and discuss
>> answers.
>>> At some point, the answers were "that's been discussed" or "did you
>> bother
>>> to google that topic before you asked"?
>>>
>>> Somehow we stopped getting pleasure out of discussing homesteading.
>> That is fair, Rob. After one answers the same basic questions many times,
>> it becomes tedious and time-wasting. That is one of the advantages of
>> books: the author is highly motivated to write the material and get it out
>> there to the readers. Then they go on to the next subject.
>>
>> I'm guess I'm showing my age. Perhaps it is simply generational.
>>
>> I very much enjoyed the back-and-forth with Tvo.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>> I'm not sure the list is dead. Can it be revived? I have no idea who is
>> on
>>> this list for starters. The www and other more modern means of
>>> communication may have taken something away form the listserv, but I'd
>> say
>>> that's not the issue here.
>>>
>>> It's a shame we can't seem to get our discussion on. The thing I always
>>> like about this list is that it was hard core, straight-forward
>> discussion
>>> of homesteading with no censors.
>>>
>>> Rob - Va
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Rob wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I woke up this morning wondering what happened to the homestead list.
>>>>>
>>>>> An e-mail list is (was?) a new type of community, a group of people
>>>>> with almost instant written communication drawn together around a
>>>>> common theme. In this case a the concept of homesteading.
>>>>>
>>>>> For many years this was an active & vibrant place to be and then it
>>>> wasn't....
>>>>> Did everybody give up the homestead dream? Did the world change so
>>>>> much that the group was not necessary? I think "not" to both of
>>>>> those, there are still active groups in the internet world and
>>>>> somewhat on facebook. The dream (or necessity) of doing it yourself
>>>>> is still there.
>>>>> A lack of leadership? Maybe, leadership on a list is hard to pin
>>>>> down. The leader could be a knowledgeable regular poster or a list
>>>>> owner who both posts & keeps order it is rarely the totalitarian who
>>>>> rules with the iron fist, lists have to be at least a little fun to
>>>>> keep people.
>>>>> Did one person manage to poison the well? That is possible, people
>>>>> left the list rather than deal with the poison.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think enough people left (for whatever the reason, I'm guessing
>>>>> poison & no leadership) that the dynamic of the list fell apart and
>>>>> the community that was people, their words and ideas collapsed & is
>>>> gone. Sad.
>>>>
>>>> Rob, I agree with all you have written above. Lee was the owner but she
>>>> did not care enough to manage. The unrestrained political garbage
>> posted by
>>>> two members repelled me.
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 16:52:25 -0500 (EST)
From: franksfarm AT aol.com
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Homestead Digest, Vol 92, Issue 3
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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A happy New Year to all!


And perhaps we can rejuvenate the list.



I've been on for many years, and used to enjoy all the stories,trials,
tribulations and joys of getting back to the land.



And we had folks like TVO , Gene Gerue etc. etc. who were very well informed
on
quite a few subjects. And then there were brave shoulds like Rob tackling
amazing projects.




It was a lively group;full of energy, and hope. Be nice to revive:)


All the best. Frank in Kentucky


PS: Celia, did you and the family move to Ithaca,NY from
Virginia?-----Original
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Today's Topics:

1. Re: The death of a list (Celia Morgan)
2. Re: The death of a list (Robert Iliff)
3. Re: The death of a list (Rob)
4. Re: The death of a list (Marie McHarry)
5. Re: The death of a list (Fred Enga, Astechman)
6. Re: The death of a list (DSanner106 AT aol.com)
7. Re: The death of a list AND a question... (hstead AT nc.rr.com)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:34:47 -0500
From: Celia Morgan <paxamicus AT earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The death of a list
To: "homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org" <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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Alrighty then. I retired from commercial horse showing at the same my husband
retired from the government. We opted, for a variety of reasons, not to stay
in
Virginia even though I still miss some things very much. I have thirty acres
now, with an adjoining 15 I lease from the farmer across the street for hay.

Instead of doing horses, I am doing hair sheep and sheep dogs, and as far as
horses all I have are two ponies for my kid to bomb around on. This kid is
eleven and no rider, so they and the kid are just buds, and comfort for me.
One

of the ponies turns out to be an excellent guard animal, and he also pulls.
I've

made money on him carting people around at weddings and stuff.

My youngest is now eleven and homeschooled. My oldest made it into UVA after
a
Waldorf/Friends combo of schools. I am proud of her.

The sheep are paying their own way as well as the dogs'. They are Katahdins
and
I've spent the last five years or so on the learning curve for a new species.
I'm up to about 30 nice ewes twinning and tripling and I had eerie good luck
with one I'd love to brag on if anybody twists my arm. I gave up not making
money on the lambs when Roy retired and now truck everything to New Holland
that

isn't bought off the farm.

I have four dogs currently in work and some students. I don't breed but I
have
sold/trade/bought to have suitable working partnerships.

We've been rehabbing this old hole we live in slowly, one major project a
year,
with little stuff on the side. We may finish before we die. Fencing, septic,
roof, electric and insulation, next summer it's painting. The goal is the
house,

the wooden barn, and the shed. Laugh with me. One ongoing project is
constantly
retro-greening the house. We removed almost all of the south west walls, put
in
some serious windows, and a lot of stone on the floor. Slate. I like it. And
it
doesn't get too hot up here for that, either, in the summer.

We finally made it up to two years ahead on wood this fall, I have these
fantastic soapstone stoves with converters that came with the house. Which is
good, because the place is a freaking sieve even with insulation. I figure
this
is good because we will probably NOT die or carbon monoxide poisoning or
radon.

I barter with my next door neighbour for organic eggs, beef, and milk in lamb
and sheep cheese. I'm working on perfecting my faux Manchego.

I don't garden, I am still the black thumb of death, but the Ithaca Farmer's
Market is stupendous and I am supporting local organics so I'm ok with that.
I
put stuff up all summer long. A million jars or tomatoes, I think. What we
are
the lucky recipients are of a gardener's home. We have apple trees, pear
trees,
blueberries, blackberries, rose hips, fiddle head ferns, watercress, and
more.
We pick the berries off the branches as soon as the dew has dried and freeze
them. SO lucky.

I was still replying to the list regularly when we were looking to move. For
what it's worth, I could not love Ithaca more (unless maybe we could have
just a

teeny bit more sunshine). It is wonderful here, and the local culture and
economy supports the concept of sustainability in all its myriad guises.

I hereby swear off politics, except environmental stuff. I think we all come
from the same place there so it shouldn't cause arguments.

Cheers,

Celia

On Dec 29, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com> wrote:


On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Rob wrote:

> I woke up this morning wondering what happened to the homestead list.
>
> An e-mail list is (was?) a new type of community, a group of people
> with almost instant written communication drawn together around a
> common theme. In this case a the concept of homesteading.
>
> For many years this was an active & vibrant place to be and then it
> wasn't....
> Did everybody give up the homestead dream? Did the world change so
> much that the group was not necessary? I think "not" to both of
> those, there are still active groups in the internet world and
> somewhat on facebook. The dream (or necessity) of doing it yourself
> is still there.
> A lack of leadership? Maybe, leadership on a list is hard to pin
> down. The leader could be a knowledgeable regular poster or a list
> owner who both posts & keeps order it is rarely the totalitarian who
> rules with the iron fist, lists have to be at least a little fun to
> keep people.
> Did one person manage to poison the well? That is possible, people
> left the list rather than deal with the poison.
>
> I think enough people left (for whatever the reason, I'm guessing
> poison & no leadership) that the dynamic of the list fell apart and
> the community that was people, their words and ideas collapsed & is gone.
> Sad.

Rob, I agree with all you have written above. Lee was the owner but she did
not
care enough to manage. The unrestrained political garbage posted by two
members
repelled me.

Gene

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 14:36:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Iliff <rwiliff AT yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The death of a list
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I'm here and interested in the homestead list. ?I used to really enjoy it and
its many and varied personalities.
Warmest Regards,Robert IliffDatil, New Mexico




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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:42:55 -0700
From: Rob <becida AT comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The death of a list
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

It's not dead and gone, just dead. Could it be revived? I'd guess it
could if there was interest AND anyone who cared enough to work at
it. That's not me on my best day, like I said I woke up thinking
about the list & it will probably be another 6 months before that
happens again.



Rob
becida AT comcast.net
a good homestead list without the censors is a hard thing to find,
then again no censors allowed the list to be poisoned



At 12/29/2012 11:45 AM,Robert Walton wrote:

>I'm not sure the list is dead. Can it be revived?
>
>It's a shame we can't seem to get our discussion on. The thing I always
>like about this list is that it was hard core, straight-forward discussion
>of homesteading with no censors.
>
>Rob - Va



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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:22:07 -0600
From: Marie McHarry <mmcharry AT gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The death of a list
To: "homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org" <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Cc: "homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org" <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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I'm still here. Just dormant. Bev started the Facebook group, and several
people

are there. But this time of year is quiet across most of my homesteading
contacts.

Like Celia, I've been putting energy into fixing stuff up but I think she's
light years ahead of me. Some days I feel more like I'm camping out than
homesteading.

Marie

On Dec 29, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Rob <becida AT comcast.net> wrote:

> It's not dead and gone, just dead. Could it be revived? I'd guess it
> could if there was interest AND anyone who cared enough to work at
> it. That's not me on my best day, like I said I woke up thinking
> about the list & it will probably be another 6 months before that
> happens again.
>
>
>
> Rob
> becida AT comcast.net
> a good homestead list without the censors is a hard thing to find,
> then again no censors allowed the list to be poisoned
>
>
>
> At 12/29/2012 11:45 AM,Robert Walton wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure the list is dead. Can it be revived?
>>
>> It's a shame we can't seem to get our discussion on. The thing I always
>> like about this list is that it was hard core, straight-forward discussion
>> of homesteading with no censors.
>>
>> Rob - Va
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 14:47:09 -0800
From: "Fred Enga, Astechman" <fenga AT astechman.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The death of a list
To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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Well.......I am still sitting on my farm on an island on a river in the
mountains of BC.

I still develop alternative energy process and fight to get funding.

Currently designing small scale electrical generation systems for remote
areas which are powered by waste wood and do not require steam certified
operators to run and that are inherently safe.

Have absolutely no interest in discussing politics, mine or yours, but did
enjoy and find useful many previous discussions.

And, Yes, I too miss Tvo

Gud Jul

Fred




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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 22:43:15 -0500 (EST)
From: DSanner106 AT aol.com
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The death of a list
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

I am another former regular contributer, now more of an occasional lurker.
I do still open and read the list messages, but getting into the political
discussions would be a waste of time. I have sincerely enjoyed the list
though, miss tvo and others who have merely dropped out.

Who knows, maybe if enough of us get the ball rolling again, we may
rejuvenate it.


Drew in Ga


In a message dated 12/29/2012 6:57:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
fenga AT astechman.com writes:

Well.......I am still sitting on my farm on an island on a river in the
mountains of BC.

I still develop alternative energy process and fight to get funding.

Currently designing small scale electrical generation systems for remote
areas which are powered by waste wood and do not require steam certified
operators to run and that are inherently safe.

Have absolutely no interest in discussing politics, mine or yours, but did
enjoy and find useful many previous discussions.

And, Yes, I too miss Tvo

Gud Jul

Fred


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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 10:10:55 -0500
From: <hstead AT nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The death of a list AND a question...
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Cc: DSanner106 AT aol.com
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I know I've had a LOT of problems with my computer and email this year. I
saw
the listserv start to
go "downhill" several years ago, but once held it in such high regard, I
refused

to unsub. I've been
around since the soap lady, so that has to be, what..., 1995? I no longer
can

get to my archived
emails, so I can't tell anymore. It's back in the past now. I do miss all
of

the great discussion
pre-politcal flamewars, Lynn (both from Georgia and PA), Bev, and of course,
Tvo

(and you too Gene...)
and many, many others.

While not a homesteading question, I do have a nut I need to crack and hope
that

the cognoscenti here
can provide a solution. I made the mistake (nee: decision) to install
Windows
2008 on my new
computer. Jury is still out it. May work out well in the end, but for now,
it

is really tough IMHO.
I have a problem with getting email on this puppy. If anyone has any
direct
experience with Win2008,
Outlook.com and email, please let me know. If there is any interest, I'll
even

discuss it here... :D

Wishing you all a bright and fulfilling New Year

Chris from Apex


---- DSanner106 AT aol.com wrote:
> I am another former regular contributer, now more of an occasional lurker.
> I do still open and read the list messages, but getting into the political
> discussions would be a waste of time. I have sincerely enjoyed the list
> though, miss tvo and others who have merely dropped out.
>
> Who knows, maybe if enough of us get the ball rolling again, we may
> rejuvenate it.
>
>
> Drew in Ga
>
>
> In a message dated 12/29/2012 6:57:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> fenga AT astechman.com writes:
>
> Well.......I am still sitting on my farm on an island on a river in the
> mountains of BC.
>
> I still develop alternative energy process and fight to get funding.
>
> Currently designing small scale electrical generation systems for remote
> areas which are powered by waste wood and do not require steam certified
> operators to run and that are inherently safe.
>
> Have absolutely no interest in discussing politics, mine or yours, but did
> enjoy and find useful many previous discussions.
>
> And, Yes, I too miss Tvo
>
> Gud Jul
>
> Fred

>



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