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A happy New Year to all!


And perhaps we can rejuvenate the list.



I've been on for many years, and used to enjoy all the stories,trials, 
tribulations and joys of getting back to the land.



And we had folks like TVO , Gene Gerue etc. etc. who were very well informed 
on quite a few subjects. And then there were brave shoulds like Rob tackling 
amazing projects.




It was a lively group;full of energy, and hope. Be nice to revive:)


All the best. Frank in Kentucky


PS: Celia, did you and the family move to Ithaca,NY from 
Virginia?-----Original Message-----


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: The death of a list (Celia Morgan)
   2. Re: The death of a list (Robert Iliff)
   3. Re: The death of a list (Rob)
   4. Re: The death of a list (Marie McHarry)
   5. Re: The death of a list (Fred Enga, Astechman)
   6. Re: The death of a list (DSanner106 AT aol.com)
   7. Re: The death of a list AND a question... (hstead AT nc.rr.com)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:34:47 -0500
From: Celia Morgan <paxamicus AT earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The death of a list
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Alrighty then. I retired from commercial horse showing at the same my husband 
retired from the government. We opted, for a variety of reasons, not to stay 
in 
Virginia even though I still miss some things very much. I have thirty acres 
now, with an adjoining 15 I lease from the farmer across the street for hay. 

Instead of doing horses, I am doing hair sheep and sheep dogs, and as far as 
horses all I have are two ponies for my kid to bomb around on. This kid is 
eleven and no rider, so they and the kid are just buds, and comfort for me.  
One 
of the ponies turns out to be an excellent guard animal, and he also pulls. 
I've 
made money on him carting people around at weddings and stuff. 

My youngest is now eleven and homeschooled. My oldest made it into UVA after 
a 
Waldorf/Friends combo of schools. I am proud of her. 

The sheep are paying their own way as well as the dogs'. They are Katahdins 
and 
I've spent the last five years or so on the learning curve for a new species. 
I'm up to about 30 nice ewes twinning and tripling and I had eerie good luck 
with one I'd love to brag on if anybody twists my arm. I gave up not making 
money on the lambs when Roy retired and now truck everything to New Holland 
that 
isn't bought off the farm. 

I have four dogs currently in work and some students. I don't breed but I 
have 
sold/trade/bought to have suitable working partnerships. 

We've been rehabbing this old hole we live in slowly, one major project a 
year, 
with little stuff on the side. We may finish before we die. Fencing, septic, 
roof, electric and insulation, next summer it's painting. The goal is the 
house, 
the wooden barn, and the shed. Laugh with me. One ongoing project is 
constantly 
retro-greening the house. We removed almost all of the south west walls, put 
in 
some serious windows, and a lot of stone on the floor. Slate. I like it. And 
it 
doesn't get too hot up here for that, either, in the summer. 

We finally made it up to two years ahead on wood this fall, I have these 
fantastic soapstone stoves with converters that came with the house. Which is 
good, because the place is a freaking sieve even with insulation. I figure 
this 
is good because we will probably NOT die or carbon monoxide poisoning or 
radon. 

I barter with my next door neighbour for organic eggs, beef, and milk in lamb 
and sheep cheese. I'm working on perfecting my faux Manchego. 

I don't garden, I am still the black thumb of death, but the Ithaca Farmer's 
Market is stupendous and I am supporting local organics so I'm ok with that.  
I 
put stuff up all summer long. A million jars or tomatoes, I think. What we 
are 
the lucky recipients are of a gardener's home. We have apple trees, pear 
trees, 
blueberries, blackberries, rose hips, fiddle head ferns, watercress, and 
more. 
We pick the berries off the branches as soon as the dew has dried and freeze 
them. SO lucky. 

I was still replying to the list regularly when we were looking to move. For 
what it's worth, I could not love Ithaca more (unless maybe we could have 
just a 
teeny bit more sunshine). It is wonderful here, and the local culture and 
economy supports the concept of sustainability in all its myriad guises. 

I hereby swear off politics, except environmental stuff. I think we all come 
from the same place there so it shouldn't cause arguments.

Cheers,

Celia

On Dec 29, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com> wrote:


On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Rob wrote:

> I woke up this morning wondering what happened to the homestead list.
> 
> An e-mail list is (was?) a new type of community, a group of people 
> with almost instant written communication drawn together around a 
> common theme. In this case a the concept of homesteading.
> 
> For many years this was an active & vibrant place to be and then it 
> wasn't....
> Did everybody give up the homestead dream? Did the world change so 
> much that the group was not necessary?  I think "not" to both of 
> those, there are still active groups in the internet world and 
> somewhat on facebook. The dream (or necessity) of doing it yourself 
> is still there.
> A lack of leadership? Maybe, leadership on a list is hard to pin 
> down. The leader could be a knowledgeable regular poster or a list 
> owner who both posts & keeps order it is rarely the totalitarian who 
> rules with the iron fist, lists have to be at least a little fun to 
> keep people.
> Did one person manage to poison the well? That is possible, people 
> left the list rather than deal with the poison.
> 
> I think enough people left (for whatever the reason, I'm guessing 
> poison & no leadership) that the dynamic of the list fell apart and 
> the community that was people, their words and ideas collapsed & is gone. 
> Sad.

Rob, I agree with all you have written above. Lee was the owner but she did 
not 
care enough to manage. The unrestrained political garbage posted by two 
members 
repelled me.

Gene

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 14:36:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Iliff <rwiliff AT yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The death of a list
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I'm here and interested in the homestead list. ?I used to really enjoy it and 
its many and varied personalities.
Warmest Regards,Robert IliffDatil, New Mexico




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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:42:55 -0700
From: Rob <becida AT comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The death of a list
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It's not dead and gone, just dead. Could it be revived? I'd guess it 
could if there was interest AND anyone who cared enough to work at 
it. That's not me on my best day, like I said I woke up thinking 
about the list & it will probably be another 6 months before that 
happens again.



Rob
becida AT comcast.net
a good homestead list without the censors is a hard thing to find, 
then again no censors allowed the list to be poisoned



At  12/29/2012 11:45 AM,Robert Walton wrote:

>I'm not sure the list is dead. Can it be revived?
>
>It's a shame we can't seem to get our discussion on. The thing I always
>like about this list is that it was hard core, straight-forward discussion
>of homesteading with no censors.
>
>Rob - Va



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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:22:07 -0600
From: Marie McHarry <mmcharry AT gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The death of a list
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I'm still here. Just dormant. Bev started the Facebook group, and several 
people 
are there. But this time of year is quiet across most of my homesteading 
contacts. 

Like Celia, I've been putting energy into fixing stuff up but I think she's 
light years ahead of me. Some days I feel more like I'm camping out than 
homesteading. 

Marie

On Dec 29, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Rob <becida AT comcast.net> wrote:

> It's not dead and gone, just dead. Could it be revived? I'd guess it 
> could if there was interest AND anyone who cared enough to work at 
> it. That's not me on my best day, like I said I woke up thinking 
> about the list & it will probably be another 6 months before that 
> happens again.
> 
> 
> 
> Rob
> becida AT comcast.net
> a good homestead list without the censors is a hard thing to find, 
> then again no censors allowed the list to be poisoned
> 
> 
> 
> At  12/29/2012 11:45 AM,Robert Walton wrote:
> 
>> I'm not sure the list is dead. Can it be revived?
>> 
>> It's a shame we can't seem to get our discussion on. The thing I always
>> like about this list is that it was hard core, straight-forward discussion
>> of homesteading with no censors.
>> 
>> Rob - Va
> 
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 14:47:09 -0800
From: "Fred Enga, Astechman" <fenga AT astechman.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The death of a list
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Well.......I am still sitting on my farm on an island on a river in the
mountains of BC.

I still develop alternative energy process and fight to get funding.

Currently designing small scale electrical generation systems for remote
areas which are powered by waste wood and do not require steam certified
operators to run and that are inherently safe.

Have absolutely no interest in discussing politics, mine or yours, but did
enjoy and find useful many previous discussions.

And, Yes, I too miss Tvo

Gud Jul

Fred




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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 22:43:15 -0500 (EST)
From: DSanner106 AT aol.com
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The death of a list
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I am another former regular contributer, now more of an occasional lurker.  
I do still open and read the list messages, but getting into the political  
discussions would be a waste of time. I have sincerely enjoyed the list 
though,  miss tvo and others who have merely dropped out. 
 
Who knows, maybe if enough of us get the ball rolling again, we may  
rejuvenate it.
 
 
     Drew in Ga
 
 
In a message dated 12/29/2012 6:57:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
fenga AT astechman.com writes:

Well.......I am still sitting on my farm on an island on a river in  the
mountains of BC.

I still develop alternative energy process and  fight to get funding.

Currently designing small scale electrical  generation systems for remote
areas which are powered by waste wood and do  not require steam certified
operators to run and that are inherently  safe.

Have absolutely no interest in discussing politics, mine or  yours, but did
enjoy and find useful many previous discussions.

And,  Yes, I too miss Tvo

Gud  Jul

Fred


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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 10:10:55 -0500
From: <hstead AT nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] The death of a list AND a question...
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I know I've had a LOT of problems with my computer and email this year.   I 
saw 
the listserv start to 
go "downhill" several years ago, but once held it in such high regard, I 
refused 
to unsub.   I've been
around since the soap lady, so that has to be, what...,  1995?   I no longer 
can 
get to my archived 
emails, so I can't tell anymore.   It's back in the past now.   I do miss all 
of 
the great discussion
pre-politcal flamewars, Lynn (both from Georgia and PA), Bev, and of course, 
Tvo 
(and you too Gene...)
and many, many others.

While not a homesteading question, I do have a nut I need to crack and hope 
that 
the cognoscenti here
can provide a solution.   I made the mistake (nee: decision) to install 
Windows 
2008 on my new 
computer.  Jury is still out it.   May work out well in the end, but for now, 
it 
is really tough  IMHO.
I have a problem with getting email on this puppy.    If anyone has any 
direct 
experience with Win2008, 
Outlook.com and email, please let me know.   If there is any interest, I'll 
even 
discuss it here... :D

Wishing you all a bright and fulfilling New Year

Chris from Apex


---- DSanner106 AT aol.com wrote: 
> I am another former regular contributer, now more of an occasional lurker.  
> I do still open and read the list messages, but getting into the political  
> discussions would be a waste of time. I have sincerely enjoyed the list 
> though,  miss tvo and others who have merely dropped out. 
>  
> Who knows, maybe if enough of us get the ball rolling again, we may  
> rejuvenate it.
>  
>  
>      Drew in Ga
>  
>  
> In a message dated 12/29/2012 6:57:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> fenga AT astechman.com writes:
> 
> Well.......I am still sitting on my farm on an island on a river in  the
> mountains of BC.
> 
> I still develop alternative energy process and  fight to get funding.
> 
> Currently designing small scale electrical  generation systems for remote
> areas which are powered by waste wood and do  not require steam certified
> operators to run and that are inherently  safe.
> 
> Have absolutely no interest in discussing politics, mine or  yours, but did
> enjoy and find useful many previous discussions.
> 
> And,  Yes, I too miss Tvo
> 
> Gud  Jul
> 
> Fred

> 



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