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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

Dishwashers.......... those come in two models, right?  Kids - male & 
female....
 
All kidding aside, I think I used the dishwasher 15-20 times over a 15 year 
period.  I could do them faster by hand and get them cleaner too.  
 
But a lot of people buying houses for some reason expect dishwashers.
 
I'm with Bev, I'd rather have the cabinet space.

--- On Thu, 8/20/09, EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net> wrote:


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I had the same problem...septic system and hard well water.  Now that I 
am handwashing, I make sure that even if they air dry, they are rinsed 
well.  No spots or streaks.

Since I don't intend to sell the house, I'm thinking that I've owned my 
last dishwasher.  I'd rather have the cabinet space.  However, everyone 
except you guys thinks I'm crazy for not wanting one.

B

Robert Walton wrote:
>> I've got a decision to make about a dishwasher.
> 
> 
> In my city house that I was renovating for sale, I put in a dishwasher. It
> was a slightly used stainless steel job that matched the other kitchen
> appliances. It went over really well when I sold the place.
> 
> I used it some once it was in, but really only had a few months with it
> before I sold the house. It was a luxury, real waster of water and current.
> But it was fun to use for a while.
> 
> I'm redoing the kitchen here and can't imagine using a dishwasher, for one
> thing, I'd have to really rinse off everything first. The dishwasher had a
> garbage disposal in it, but I'd hate to put all of what's left on the dishes
> in the septic tank.
> 
> If I'm going to have to rinse them off first, I'd rather just wash them.
> 
> The other thing about the dishwasher is it always left streaks on the
> dishes. I think that those streaks might be from the soap. Washing by hand,
> I'm sure that I'm getting stuff clean and rinsed well.
> 
> Rob - Va
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Looks like people are getting fed up with the high cost imposed by gov't, and 
are growing their own.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32482742/ns/business-small_business/from/ET
 
Nothing like government to kill a business  LOL........... but as usual they 
can't kill demand and people will just get it a different way. :-)
 
 
Might turn out to be a crop to grow for the seed to sell,,,, and to sell 
"whole dried leaves" at the veggie stand.
 
 
 
 

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Lynn Wigglesworth wrote:
> I could never figure out how people could afford to buy cigarettes.
> If they have to smoke, growing their own is a good idea (plus they
> know what is and isn't added to their smokes).
> 
> Congrats on quitting Bev!! Does Ron still smoke? That would make it
> doubly hard to quit.


We both quit, successfully.  I would not have been able to do so if he
had not, and visa versa.  As to why people don't grow their own...
1. seeds are hard to find
2. climate and soil really make a difference in this crop
3. it takes up a LOT of space
4. it has to be aged in the right temperature and humidity, think
cheese-making, and it is hard to find that perfect spot.

Now of course, plenty of people do the above successfully, but I think
more folks grow their own for chewing, for snuff, than for smoking.

I said for YEARS that tobacco itself was probably not addictive, but it
was the additives and/or the way it was processed, that was.  People
have smoked tobacco for centuries, but it has only been in the last
century that you see so many nicotine addicts.  Now, why would that be?

Oh well.
I feels REALLY good to be free of those bonds. I'm such a survivalist at
the core of my being, I had always worried about how my addiction to
nicotine would affect my ability to think post-whatever.  It is a
weakness that could be exploited.  In my opinion, nicotine is more
powerful than heroin.  I've never understood why the military promotes,
allows, glamorizes, smoking.  It is absolutely crazy that they don't
want gay soldiers(thank you Bill Clinton), but nicotine addicts are
okay.  There have been times in my life when I wanted/needed a smoke so
badly that I might have compromised myself or someone else.  Sad to say,
but that is how powerful nicotine is.


Bev

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Back when Daddy Bush was in office, he and Billy Boy put together a
conference of governors.  Out of that came Goals, which morphed into Goals
2000 and then morphed again into No Child Left Behind.

Back then I was working as Registrar at a local high school.  One of my fun
jobs was to set up training sessions for admin, teachers and the head of the
PTA.  The training, I was later to learn was called Delphi Technique.

It intrigued me, so I started collecting info and following the bread
crumbs.  The crumbs, of course, led to Alinsky.  From Alinsky to Concensus
Building and so forth and so on.

I continued to collect data and watch how these "techniques' were used to
manipulate people.  I went to quite a few meetings as a school rep, for the
tribe and for various other organizations.  I got quite good at finding the
"change agents."  The Obama campaign used Alinsky/Delphi Technique with
exceptional results.  The caucuses were classic examples.

And then about 7 years ago I noticed a new game in town, so to speak.
Again, like Delphi Technique, it was directly linked to the military.

Now, the new kid in town is what I would call the evil twin of the spin
doctors.  Now, the funny thing is that what got me to thinking about looking
in that direction was the DC Whorehouse.  It was a homeschool organization,
H$LDA.  And, after I figured out basically what they were doing, when WMDs
came along it was easy to follow the crumbs to the origin of the latest
public manipulations.

A lot of people made comments about spin doctors when WMDs were talked
about.  Not the case.  You see, y'all, the American public and the world at
large was PM'd.  Ah, and that doesn't mean private messaging.  It means
"perception management."  If you can get your hands on one, you will even
find it defined in DOD manuals!  Some PR firms offer PM services.

Now, what, you might ask, is wrong with PMing?  Welllll, spin doctors spin
truth into various contortions.  PM masters spin lies.  Just plain out and
out lies.  They create "facts" and then sell them to the their target
audience as the truth.  And they do this using a shotgun effect -- plaster
the news (t.v., radio, print) and the new method, the net.  Now, the fun
part of the net is that they invent entities to spread the word.  Blogs of
imaginary people.  Websites of imaginary people.  Auto mailers, spam, AND,
the infamous troll.  A website or blog goes up or a group is started that is
counter to the Big Lie and trolls will abound.

And it works cause this country is rift with sheople.  The great unthinking
"public consciousness" that absolutely hates the truth.  If someone tracks
down a PM and presents the facts they are bombarded, attacked and the mass
of sheople stick their fingers in their ears and chant LaLaLa.

I have decided the nation's motto should be changed to "Don't Confuse Me
With the Facts"!

Lynda, who managed to survive two days of triple digit heat without
electricity or water!
The press corp is fact-adverse but very fable friendly.