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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

I really did add it to my list of quotes.......(see below, and hopefully I'm 
guessing your name right.)
 
It is so true.
 
 
"Once they (we) realize the ultimate futility of that, then desperation will 
become the norm, and anger, and revolt. "
 
I think there is evidence of this, which of course lines up with history. 
 
Stage 1 - is what is going on now, as evidence by retail shopping numbers, 
jobless numbers, etc.  People are hoarding their money, trying to pay down 
some debt if possible, and not shopping.
 
Stage 2 - as prices start to go up, they will switch to buying everything 
they can, and to save that - so there will be a switch from "saving" money, 
to "saving the things that money buys before that gets more expensive.
 
Stage 3 - the taking away part, can come from direct confiscation (i.e. 401ks 
seized for the greater good of the many [yes there is historical precedence], 
looting, theft, etc....... or the indirect ways - any assets that can be 
taxed at higher levels further takes cash away or real estate tax 
foreclosures on properties, or the worst hyperinflationary effects of all the 
money printing, which takes away our ability to afford purchasing things we 
need.  And the government will fail to save that little which is left (this 
has already started - government has become an all consuming reckless 
monster).
 
Stage 4 - desperation (which is starting), revolt.  The question will be what 
kind of revolt?  Revolt that leads us to being serfs for corporations in 
control,,,,,,,,, or off with the politicians heads, and revolt against big 
controlling corporations and back to a liberty type era.  History says the 
former (serfdom and all equivalent words, fascism, communism, dictatorships, 
etc)..... however I don't know if in history if there were ever generations 
of people raised on the founding beliefs such as America and if that would 
turn us into that direction.
 
Either way, there are lots of reasons to believe the coals have been stoked.
 
Great quote, seriously!


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"It's when they fail to save what little is left that the flames will begin 
in earnest." ~ Ray Zentz

--- On Thu, 8/6/09, rayzentz AT aim.com <rayzentz AT aim.com> wrote:




Flatterer!

I think it's true, though.? Right now, people are pre-occupied scrambling to 
save what little they can, before it's all taken away. Once they (we) realize 
the ultimate futility of that, then desperation will become the norm, and 
anger, and revolt. We are in for major changes, few of which will be 
pleasant, until tyrannical gov't is once again forcefully reminded, by the 
people, of it's correct and rightful place... a servant, not a ruler.


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I think this sentence needs to be saved as a famous quote !

--- On Tue, 8/4/09, rayzentz AT aim.com <rayzentz AT aim.com> wrote:



It's when they fail to save what little is left that the flames will begin in 
earnest...

Ray




      
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No haven't had soil tested, where does that get done, and estimated cost?
 
 

--- On Thu, 8/6/09, EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net> wrote:




When I plant my tomatoes to the ground, they have already been
transplanted at least twice, making the outdoor planting transplant #3.
This increases the root zone and helps the plant obtain water and
nutrients from a larger area of soil.  When I transplant, I bury the
plant leaving only the top 4-6 inches above the soil.  I dig a huge
hole, usually a foot to 18" deep and at least a foot wide.  I make up a
planting mix that contains some or all of the following depending on
what I have on hand: Tums, Epsom Salts, Kelp, Bone Meal, and Alfalfa in
the form of rabbit food.  If I have organic fertilizer, I add that,
rabbit poop and whatnot, and I just add some of my mix to the soil in
the hole and mix it up, then transplant and water it in well.  Epsom
Salts, which is magnesium sulfate, will help prevent blossom end rot,
too. It makes it easier for the plant to uptake phosphorus, and also
helps prevent severe transplant shock.  I'm guessing that each plant
gets about 2 Tablespoons of it.  Leslie, to help the plants you have
now, you can also mix up epsom salts with water, about 1-2 TBSP per
gallon, and drench the affected plants.  It is a good thing, and cheap.
I guess I should say that you should really look at your soil test.  If
your soil is high in magnesium already, use pelletized calcitic lime
instead of dolomitic lime.  My acid soil is low in magnesium(my tomato
leaves curl and turn yellow as they age), so adding the epsom salts
works for me.  If your soil is alkaline, all bets are off, double think
it and YMMV.  Have you had your soil tested?

Bev

Lynda wrote:
> Blossom end rot.  Get some Tums, crush them up and water them into 
> the soil. Your tomatoes need calcium.
> 
> Lynda The press corp is fact-adverse but very fable friendly.
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie" <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> 
> But when I brought the tomatoes inside, on the end of the tomato 
> (opposite end to where it attaches to the plant).......... it is 
> brown to black. The whole end of the tomato is useless, but the rest 
> of the tomato is fine. I ate the other half and my taste test is no 
> indicator, but it tasted fine.
> 
> 1. What causes the blackend /browed distal end?
> 
> 2. Can I can the good part of the tomato after cutting off the end?
> 
> 3. If this is some kind of virus or disease do I need to remove the 
> affected plant(s).
> 
> 4. If 3 is a yes........ is this something that will affect the seeds
>  in the Walmart plants (since I want to save seeds for next year).
> 
> Any help appreciated.
> 
> I haven't been able to find a pic on the internet yet that matches 
> what I'm seeing.
> 
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LOL !!!  
 
When I googled this little monster, I read they glow in the dark with a black 
light.  I did go out immediately to look for more, so far none, but with my 
nose that close, I did see some little black things, very tiny bugs.  So I 
figure I need to come up with a formula for soap & water, mild enough not to 
burn the plants.... or some kind of non-chemical pesticide.  The leaves on 
the branch that has those bugs looks a little curled as if they are non 
getting enough fluid.


 
--- On Thu, 8/6/09, Gil White <gil.white AT xplornet.com> wrote:



Take a good look around - once you spot the first one I usually find quite a 
few more. They will strip the foiliage in no time and then they start on your 
green tomatoes.

I always found that using a little trowel was a great way to relieve 
frustration - knock them onto the ground and then with your best imitation of 
a karate scream smash the little bugger with the flat side of the trowel.

I've seen both green and brown ones, though the green are usually harder to 
spot.

Gil


On Aug 6, 2009, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote: 

Wow, that is exactly what it is !    It blends in so well I can't believe I 
even saw it,,,, sounds like I need to run back out there and inspect all the 
tomato plants more carefully.
thanks.
  
These hornworm catepillars are different that the very tiny catepillars that 
ate every since chick pea.......... those drill a little hole on the 
underside and then eat the little seed inside :-(  I lost the whole crop 
before I even knew they were there.
 
 

--- On Thu, 8/6/09, EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net> wrote:




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Calcium:
limestone(if your soil is acidic), gypsum(if your soil is alkaline)
eggshells, oyster shells, bone meal, alfalfa hay, tums, etc.

Phosphorus:
Chicken poop, rabbit poop, bat guano, rock phosphate, bonemeal, banana
peels, steel slag, nut and legume hulls, exoskeletons from crab and
shrimp, and urine(the element was discovered in 1675 by a German
alchemist who stored buckets of human urine in his basement hoping it
would turn to gold...it spontaneously combusted<g>)


You can get a soil test done free or cheaply by your county extension
service.  You really need to do this before you start amending.

B

Leslie wrote:
> Ok, that takes care of the eggshell question...
>
> Is there a natural source for phosphorus and lime?  Or is a trip to
> town to getting fertilzers a must?


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