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Ahh,,, BER, ok,,, yes that is what they look like.  I went back out and 
checked all the plants.  I did find a couple green ones on the WM tomatoes 
also.  And re-checked the plants grown from seed, and other tomatoes don't 
have any problem at all.
 
Calcium deficiency?  Possibly caused by salty soil (which I'm pretty sure is 
an issue here.  I know what to do for the salty conditions next year.. but 
for calcium.......... can I just beg everyone here to save me eggs shells, 
grind them up and sprinkle that is the soil near tomato plants?
 
 
Basically no rain here either, although one day there was enough to soak the 
top 1/2" of soil.  
 
Do they make Roma hybrids?  I don't want a hybrid, that's for sure.  Heirloom 
is the quest for this year's shopping list.
 
I'm thinking the one spaghetti squash seed I planted must be one of those not 
true to parent things.......  I have 3 squash that are huge (green w/light 
green spots) 12" long/6" wide, and in another section of the plant, I have 2 
smaller 7" long light green squash that look like what I bought in the 
grocery store.  If I can figure out when the big ones are ripe.... I'll taste 
them anyway and find out what the expirement yielded...
 
I just pulled up some of the dead stuff, and planted a few seeds of some 
other things.  It's a week past the last planting date, but hoping that later 
in the year we won't have an early frost.
 
 

--- On Thu, 8/6/09, Sage Austin | Eureka! Design <eureka AT hctc.net> wrote:




The blackened end could also be what's called tomato end rot. You can 
read more about it at 
http://faq.gardenweb.com/faq/lists/tomato/2000082444023571.html
We see that here in our desert, too.

All of our tomatoes are cracked here due to the heat and drought, even 
though they are drip irrigated. Bev's description is good, although we 
really haven't had rain...we are just irrigating beyond how the heat has 
toughened the skin.

I wouldn't save the seed from the WalMart tomatoes unless you know they 
were heirloom, but chances are they are F1 hybrids and won't produce 
true to the parent.

--Sage
Way Out in Texas
(still reading, but too busy to post these days)



Leslie wrote:
> THE GOOD
>  
> 4 Roma Tomato plants purchased at Walmart..... are producing unbelievable 
> amounts of tomatoes.  I've picked over 150 already, and haven't made a dent 
> in the number of visible tomatoes in varying stages of ripening (and more 
> babies keep hatching).  For the most part, these are perfect tomatoes.  No 
> cracks, no blemishes.  The leaves are super green, very thick in foliage, 
> and the plant is and has been growing larger and larger...  No bugs that 
> I'm worried about.  A morning spider web is usually all I see.  They pretty 
> much get the exact same amount of water every day (they are on a timer).
>  
>  
> THE BAD
> I threw some hybrid seeds in the ground.  These are also growing 
> unbelievably well, and I had to cage them.  They are almost 5' tall.  Good 
> green foliage, thick, but not as thick as the Romas.  They do get a small 
> amount of filtered shade from the giant sunflowers.  This is a larger 
> variety of tomato, like a beefsteak size.  These have green tomatoes on 
> them, with the first one now ripening.  The only bug I have seen was an 
> unusual green catepillar (unusual, as it looked like a prehistoric monster, 
> with a curved horn on it's head, and legs only on the front half of the 
> body, with the back half of it's body curled under like a snail... LOL).  
> This plant is also gets irrigation, pretty much same amount every day.
>  
> However.... when I checked the first tomatoe, which is just starting to 
> turn color,,,, I noticed one crack on each side of the tomato.  What causes 
> that?  
>  
>  
> THE UGLY
>  
> I threw Roma tomato seeds in the ground right next to the 4 purchased 
> plants.  Those also grew, have lots of thick foliage (no yellow leaves, no 
> spots, no tan, nothing - the plants look very healthy) and the first of the 
> tomatos are starting to ripen.  This is on the same timed irrigation line 
> as the other Romas.  I haven't used any chemicals, and the only fertilizer 
> was well composted horse manure that I worked into the ground last year.
>  
> But when I brought the tomatoes inside, on the end of the tomato (opposite 
> end to where it attaches to the plant).......... it is brown to black.  The 
> whole end of the tomato is useless, but the rest of the tomato is fine.  I 
> ate the other half and my taste test is no indicator, but it tasted fine.
>  
> 1.  What causes the blackend /browed distal end?
>  
> 2.  Can I can the good part of the tomato after cutting off the end?
>  
> 3.  If this is some kind of virus or disease do I need to remove the 
> affected plant(s).
>  
> 4.  If 3 is a yes........ is this something that will affect the seeds in 
> the Walmart plants (since I want to save seeds for next year).
>  
> Any help appreciated.
>  
> I haven't been able to find a pic on the internet yet that matches what I'm 
> seeing.  
>
>
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Ok, that takes care of the eggshell question...
 
Is there a natural source for phosphorus and lime?  Or is a trip to town to 
getting fertilzers a must?
 

--- On Thu, 8/6/09, EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net> wrote:



> 1.  What causes the blackend /browed distal end?

Blossom end rot.  Sometimes, the first tomatoes will have this and the 
later ones will be fine.  The blossom, instead of falling off as the 
tomato grows, clings onto and eventually rots the fruit.  It can affect 
peppers and squashes, too.  It is caused by low calcium in the soil(or 
sometimes the calcium levels are okay, but it is locked up and not 
bioavailable).  Liming will help.  Also, certain fertilizers high in 
ammonium ions(NH4) will bind the soil calcium, so the horse manure is 
probably a contributing factor.  I would not change the manure, but just 
add lime for next year, if it were me.  Save your eggshells and compost 
them-they will also add calcium.  Increase phosphorus levels, too, that 
also affects the bloom set.  If you could find some chicken manure to 
compost with the horse manure, that would help balance it.  Rabbit poop 
is also pretty good.

Other factors that affect BER is planting too early, which I don't think 
is applicable to you since you are in a warm desert, and inconsistent 
water, which I wouldn't think would be a factor cuz you have it on a timer.

> 
> 2.  Can I can the good part of the tomato after cutting off the end?

If the rot doesn't extend to the tomato's core, sure.  I do.

> 
> 3.  If this is some kind of virus or disease do I need to remove the
> affected plant(s).
> 
> 4.  If 3 is a yes........ is this something that will affect the
> seeds in the Walmart plants (since I want to save seeds for next
> year).

Blossom end rot is not contagious.  No need to remove the plants, and if 
  you fix the soil, the problem should not occur again.  However, it may 
take some tweaking every year.

Bev

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tums !!  LOL, why didn't I think of that !
 
I know to do that with my own body either tums or vinegar............ on the 
rare occassion of an upset stomach it seems to be either one or the other 
that rebalances ph.

--- On Thu, 8/6/09, Lynda <lurine AT com-pair.net> wrote:



Blossom end rot.  Get some Tums, crush them up and water them into the soil. 
Your tomatoes need calcium.




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I always seem to find them near the top of the plant. I don't know if
that is because they hang out there or because I look for them there...lol

Bev

Leslie wrote:
> Wow, that is exactly what it is !    It blends in so well I can't
> believe I even saw it,,,, sounds like I need to run back out there
> and inspect all the tomato plants more carefully. thanks.


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