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OK, here's a new one to banter about.... this just found LA-Times.
 
The gist of this one is a case somewhat along the lines of that issue that 
came up in that beauty pageant, about whether or not people can express their 
personal opinion about traditional marriages and whether or not by stating 
their opinion and someone find it offensive is the offense actually sexual 
harrassment, etc.
 
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/07/college-sexual-harassment-code-struck-down.html
 
 
My personal opinion is that if one side is allowed to be a proponent of their 
opinion, persons with opposing views can also be a proponent of their 
opinion, regardless of hurt feelings when others disagree.
 
 



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Wow - I had BCBS of FL for some 20+ years, both under individual policies 
when self-employed, and for a while as a perk when an employee.
 
I never once had a problem with them, for any kind of claim, whether filed by 
the doc's office, or in the case of my physician who wouldn't deal with ins. 
co's, I filed myself.
 
When my son was killed, he had just 3 weeks earlier gotten a temporarily 
individual policy while he was waiting for approval on the permanent one.  
The temporarily had a lifetime beneifit max of $1M, the permanent on $2M..... 
  The temporary policy was completely maxed out while he was in the trauma 
center.... and then some.  The effective date of the permanent policy was 1 
week after, so they didn't pay out on that policy.  There was ZERO hassle on 
them paying out the $1million max.
 
'Course the hospital was out $, and dishonestly attempted to get me to sign a 
piece of paper that would have been a fraud against the government.... NO 
DEAL!  But I bet a lot of others who don't read get tricked into their game 
and unknowingly commit fraud against the gov't.  The fine print specifically 
stated that if you had private insurance you are not allowed to sign the 
paper they pushed in front of me.  I made the pushy clerk  arguing with me to 
sign or else (or else what duh...) in front of me get a supervisor.... the 
supervisor back pedaled real quick after I let themselves hang themselves for 
a while and then dropped the bomb on them about the BCBS policy.
 
Anyway, my own experience with BCBS of FL was excellent.  I have overheard 
some locals complaining about BCBS of NM, so maybe different from state to 
state.
 
 
 
 
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Lynn Wigglesworth wrote:
> My father was a federal employee, and my mother still has his Blue Cross 
> health insurance. She gets a constant stream of paperwork showing what 
> Medicare paid vs. what Blue Cross paid. Medicare pays almost everything. 
> Blue Cross refuses half of the tiny amount that is left. People complain 
> about Medicare, but it is serving my mother well, with very little 
> paperwork 
> on her part. Blue Cross, on the other hand, costs her $200/month and 
> refuses 
> most payments.


Wow.
Our battles are also with BCBS.  We pay $600/mo in premiums and still 
have a fight.  We first got 'pre-approved', then after the service was 
rendered, refusal to pay saying it was not covered...after that was 
settled they said the doctor was not in the network...after that was 
settled(I had POS so there was no 'network'), then no referral, but 
again our plan did not require one, and meanwhile my account will be 
going to collections and we don't have the money to pay it all at once. 
  Don't get me wrong, I pay my bills, but we would not have made the 
claim and gotten the service had we known of the hassle it would be to 
get the insurance just to do what they are contracted to do.
We have two separate claims we are battling in a similar way.  One of 
the claims is only $230, which we could obviously pay if we did not have 
to chunk out $150/wk.

I'm not under any kind of illusion that BC is the only insurance company 
using these tactics.

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This all reminds me of an article written by a former Prez of the KKK that 
was published in the Readers Digest Magazine some 30+ years ago...  The Prez 
was telling his story, but the most important part was the reason why he 
resigned as the Prez and completely quit the KKK.  He had discovered that the 
race wars are used by politicians to keep people fighting amongst themselves 
instead of looking at the politicians.
 
Makes me think Prez is trying to deflect attention elsewheres.....
 
 
For anyone who wants an interesting but long read.............make sure you 
get to the end before judging the beginning.... ;-)  
 
Steven Farron on   "PREJUDICE IS FREE,
BUT DISCRIMINATION HAS COSTS"
 
http://mises.org/journals/jls/14_2/14_2_3.pdf
 
 
 
 

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Simply more race baiting. Do folks not realise that when they scream race 
about every little thing that pretty soon you have the Peter and the Wolf 
thing going on?

Is racism alive and well.  You betcha!  Was this racial profiling.  NO!  And 
his lawyer buddy knows damn well it isn't.  Being sent to look for a 
specific identity type is not profiling and his lawyer buddy knows it.  He 
was most uncomfortable when asked about lawsuits!

Lynda
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>
>snip<
>
> I have to change the subject a bit and ask this question...
> Last night, President Obama got involved and made comments about the
> arrest of his Harvard friend.  I thought it was really inappropriate of
> the President to do that, especially considering the remarks he made
> saying that the police acted stupidly.  I'm thinking that he just did
> not have the whole story.
> It is my understanding that a neighbor called the police to report 2
> black men breaking into the house next door.  The police arrived....(the
> cops weren't just driving by and targeting two black guys).  My
> thinking, and probably the officer's thinking, is that the neighbor who
> called would not have called if she thought the intruder was the
> homeowner.  So, the cops get there and the two men are inside the home.
> Gates refuses to show ID at first, refuses to come outside, and is loud
> and boisterous and abuse to the police.  When he does show ID to prove
> he is who he says, it is a Harvard ID, not one with a home address.  All
> he had to do was to provide a simple driver's license or something with
> his address and picture on it.    How hard is that?  But no, in striking
> modus operandi similar to Obama's refusal to ask questions, he refuses
> to provide the requested information, and goes on the offensive, calling
> the officer a racist.  I think the whole thing is a setup for a lawsuit.
> The police officer was doing his job.  Many times, a homeowner can be in
> the house with a burglar and not even know it.  The officer was right to
> question Gates and the other guy.
> I'm wondering if Obama read the police report.
> http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/07/23/0498.001.pdf
> Arresting someone for Disorderly Conduct is almost always a judgment
> call.  I'm glad the charges were dropped, but I back the officer's call
> to arrest him.  It sounds to me as if the guy was acting irrational and
> out of character for a Harvard professor.
> At any rate, I don't think the President should have commented on the
> matter, and I certainly don't agree with his comments.
> What do y'all think about that?

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I do remember grandma having Lava in the bathroom as a kid....  hmmm maybe 
that is why they had that in the bathroom all the time.
But that wasn't the name of the soap.  It was something I hadn't heard of 
before.  I suppose before I go shopping, I'll ask her again and write it down 
!  LOL

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Pine tar or Lava?

Lynda
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----- Original Message ----- 
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Me too,,,,,,,,, I have had too major contact dermatitis episodes 
already......... The worst seems to be the sunflower leaves, and after that 
all of the curcubits........ Mom says there is some kind of bar soap that 
they used to use on the farm for that.... I've never heard of it, can't 
remember the name now, and hopefully will remember it when I get around to 
going shopping.

Makes me itch like crazy, then the redness and swelling, and of course 
anywhere I touch, I potentially spread it........ 

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Sealed.  You couldn't get one marked 2007 without big court action.  I know,
BTDT and still can't get the original.

As to using the last name, only citizens (he would have had to be adopted to
be a citizen without a long drawn out procedure, 5 years) can attend some of
the schools in Indonesia.  He attended one of those schools and in his
school records he is listed as a citizen.

Lynda
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> Why would there be no birth certificate?? I thought they were kept on file
> with the state forever. You can file for changes to it, but I'd be really
> surprised to find that you can change who your biological parents were. I
> also have never seen any evidence that he was legally adopted...apparently
> in some countries you can 'claim' a child and give him some rights without
> legally adopting him. I know he used the Sotero name for a while, but I
> used
> my ex-husband's name sometimes, but legally kept my maiden name.