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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

Thanks.  I don't think it was birds, but only because I had the seeds planted 
in flats which were inside an enclosed cold frame (glass top, wood sides).  
But underneath the flats I found ant tunnels.  Last year when I planted seeds 
direct into soil first thing I noticed was the birds attacked them :-) so I 
figured I needed to start in flats so the birds wouldn't get into the seed.
 
I replanted day before yesterday, and this time won't move the flats outside 
to the cold frame until the seeds sprout.  I suppose another explanation 
could be temps either too cold or too warm, or inconsistent moisture - 
although I was checking on temps & moisture every 3 hrs.
 
 
The guy in the earthship is growing potatoes here, and says he planted 2 
weeks ago.
 
I have mine in, experimenting between tires method and rows.  I used some 
bean straw as mulch over the potatoes in the tires.... and have discovered 
that there are a lot of "free" pinto beans in the bean straw.... so I started 
shaking the straw out and have been collecting the beans.  So far 1/2 pound 
out of just 1/4 of a bale of straw... Looks like I'm going to get a good 
yield of free beans out of 4 bales, just for the efforts of shaking the straw 
and using eagle eyes.  I wound up planting a bunch of the beans since the 
ones that had gotten wet were sprouting already.  Its probably too soon to 
plant though.... the mesquite trees haven't started new growth yet, and the 
locals say don't plant outside until then as somehow the mesquite trees know 
when the last frost is.  I've accidently fallen asleep a few times the last 
last with the windows open, and I definitely haven't been cold.
 
 
I moved to the desert 1 year ago,  At the moment it seems about 10 degrees 
warmer overnight and about the same as last year during the day.  At least 
there aren't the daily sandstorms like last year, not yet.  Haven't seen a 
drop of rain here in a while, maybe 2 months or so.  That part I don't mind 
at the moment because I've been busy outside raking up dried weeds making a 
very wide fire break around the property since there is a high fire danger 
this year and there was some weird outbreak of some kind of awful weed.  No 
rain makes it easier to work outside as the soil get pretty soft with rain.
 
Looking forward to getting everything in the ground.  
 
 
 
 
 
 


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--- On Thu, 3/5/09, bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

From: bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] ants
To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 6:13 AM

Leslie, no=one more knowledgeable answered, so ,as a fellow desert gardener,
I'll give you my best idea.  Right at the break of dawn, (and other times
during the day, also), little chi-chi- birds (that is what I call all little
birds I don't bother to identify) come down and eat grass seed, seed from
weeds, and if the seeds aren't well protected, they will eat your garden
seed.  I think you would see ant activity if it was enough activity to get 
every
seed, but that is just a guess.............

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--- On Wed, 3/4/09, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Homestead] ants
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> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 12:26 PM
> Do they "steal" small seeds?
>  
> I planted in started TP & a few in peat cups.
>  
> Everything that was a small seed didn't come up.  
> Larger seeds about 80% sprouted.
>  
> I found an ant tunnel underneath on of the trays of seeds
> in the cold frame, so wondering if they steal small
> seeds....
>  
> :-)
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Googling that now....ahhh cool idea !!!   Would be worth experimenting with 
some seed done like that in the flats or liners or whatever everyone here 
calls the starter cups.
 
Mice.  When I was building the cold frame I was thinking about the little 
critters that look similar to chipmunks thinking I might have built them a 
gormet fofod locker perfect for them to steal seeds & plants, so I lined the 
bottom of the cold frame with 1/4" x 1/4" wire mesh to keep them out, since 
they burrow tunnels all over the place.
 
I was camping further north in the mountains last summer and watched an 
industrious little animal pop up out of his tunnel, bite off the stems of a 
plants and drag plant after plant down into his tunnel.  I assume he was 
gathering food for the winter.... and imagined the chipmunk things doing to 
same to my whole garden :-(  

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--- On Thu, 3/5/09, Sage Austin | Eureka! Design <eureka AT hctc.net> wrote:

From: Sage Austin | Eureka! Design <eureka AT hctc.net>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] ants
To: bobford79 AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 9:19 AM

Leslie, here in our desert landscape harvester ants carry off seeds 
laying on the ground. I've also had mice snoot around in my flats and 
eat seeds, but I can see their snoot holes in the soil when this occurs. 
As Bob says, birds also eat seeds. This is one reason Fukuoka developed 
the seed ball technique (you can Google it) but I have found in our land 
of little rain they don't break down as quickly as they should.--Sage

bobf wrote:
> Leslie, no=one more knowledgeable answered, so ,as a fellow desert
gardener, I'll give you my best idea.  Right at the break of dawn, (and
other times during the day, also), little chi-chi- birds (that is what I call
all little birds I don't bother to identify) come down and eat grass seed,
seed from weeds, and if the seeds aren't well protected, they will eat your
garden seed.  I think you would see ant activity if it was enough activity to
get every seed, but that is just a guess.............
>
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> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> From: Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [Homestead] ants
>> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
>> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 12:26 PM
>> Do they "steal" small seeds?
>>  
>> I planted in started TP & a few in peat cups.
>>  
>> Everything that was a small seed didn't come up.  
>> Larger seeds about 80% sprouted.
>>  
>> I found an ant tunnel underneath on of the trays of seeds
>> in the cold frame, so wondering if they steal small
>> seeds....
>>  
>> :-)
>>
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NM, food prices climbing, but specials still around.  Big ag type farmers are 
planting, and I hope oil prices stay low during the growing season for the 
sake of grocery store consumers.
 
One oddball thing I noticed.  Went to Las Cruces NM (sort of close to El 
Paso, TX) last week.  Stopped in Sam's Club to get some bulk supplies.  
Usually they have quite a bit of coffee, numerous brands, beans & ground.  
They had very little coffee - a number of us were wondering what was going 
on, since they had other items stocked where they normally have coffee.  
 
 
Jobs far and few between.  Hearing about cut-backs at gov't level due to 
revenue shortfalls.  And they are always advertising job fairs in the news 
now... and reporting that for every one job available, hundreds to a thousand 
people show up (up in Alburquerque).  I haven't been up to town often enough 
to remember what businesses were around before, but when I go I do notice 
more vacant / closed shops.  There are some companies leaving California and 
coming to NM (apparently lower cost of doing business and lower tax  base 
than CA).  There was supposed to be a solar power mfg plant opening in S. NM, 
but when I inquired at the Job Workforce office, apparently it is on hold.
 
 
 
Daughter lives in Miami.  The company she used to work for went bankrupt in 
early Dec.  She finally got a new job after looking for 3 months... for a 
company specializing in distressed mortgages.  Apparently business is booming 
there.  Assume that will be short lived after the defaults finish up a few 
years 3-4 years from now.
 
 
Florida's real estate tax method thru the bubble caused some huge windfall 
tax receipts for Florida,  (They were voting to change it when I left, so 
this is pre-2008.)  R/E tax 3% of purchase price (FMV) is the initial 
assessed value, maximum increased allowed by law to assessed value of 3%.  
Milleage rates for local items set locally.  This allowed people who buy to 
live in their houses for 30-40 years to keep their property tax much lower 
than a similar property with a more current FMV.  (This method was adopted 
back in the 70s modeled after something similar in California.)  When the 
boom started, a lot of people upgraded to larger homes and a lot of new 
homes.  Their old homes were sold and re-assessed at the inflated sales 
price.  Hence a windfall profit in much higher real estate tax to the State.  
Naturally, governments don't pay down debt with windfall tax receipts - they 
go on a spending spree and add on additional new debt.  That
 process is now reversing with the foreclosures, as homes are being sold at 
lower and lower and lower prices.... lowering the r/e tax in line with the 
new lower FMV/sales prices, and lowering the tax receipts.... stinging dumb 
government right in the arse.
 
 
 
 


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Lynn Wigglesworth wrote:
> > That's interesting, Lynn.  The price of food in the supermarket
here is rising higher and higher--specials are few and unimpressive. 
Financially, things are tough here in Florida.  They're closing schools and
laying off teachers and administrators and custodians, and that's just to
try to meet this fiscal year's education shortfall.  It's the third such
cut this year for education.

>I wonder what other people are seeing. I suspect that the places that had
>the biggest 'bubbles' are the ones doing the worst now.





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<<<< Lynn wrote:
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It's the 'macro worries' that I can't wrap my mind around.� I have no grasp� 
of how world economics works. I still can't see how it will affect me.� >>>>

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Here's one way the macro economics�will affect.
�
A monetary hyperinflation caused by all the money printing going on in order 
to pay for all those bailouts and already issued USTreasuries coming due 
short term will make the cost of those seeds, currently $150 cost $15,000.00 
depending how many zeros get added on during the hyperinflation, of course.
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> >A monetary hyperinflation caused by all the money printing going on in
> order to pay for all those bailouts and already issued USTreasuries coming 
> due
> short term will make the cost of those seeds, currently $150 cost $15,000.00
> depending how many zeros get added on during the hyperinflation, of course.
>

This is only a problem if you are holding onto money or money referenced
assets.  Otherwise it has little affect on you.    If you are market gardening
under the hyperinflation you cite, then the seeds may go up by a factor of 
100,
but the cabbage you sold last season for $2 now sells for $200.

Likewise if you used to save $100 a week on groceries because of your garden,
you now save $10,000.  If saving your own seeds on some things saved you $50,
it now saves you $5,000.

What many are fearing now is that there is little money available to borrow
and agribusiness operates season to season on loans.  Many large agribusiness
concerns may not be able to plant this year because no loans are available for
their ongoing expenses.

When that happens along with the above mentioned hyperinflation, then the
cabbage you sold last year for $2 now becomes worth $700.


James