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[EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>]

You are so smart.
I just googled up one of my meds and oxalates..
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3765223
http://www.springerlink.com/content/q5528w893635j487/
According to that, it seems that my anti-inflammatory helps oxalates.
I take it twice a day.  It is the closest thing I take to a pain killer.

But THEN, I found this!!

http://www.chestjournal.org/cgi/content/full/122/5/1858

As it so happens, that finding is from my hometown area-a bit weird
wouldn't ya say?
Anyway about 3/4 of the way down..
> Researchers have demonstrated that these inclusions are primarily 
> calcium oxylate crystals.13 14  Some investigators have proposed that
>  these crystals play a role in the inflammatory pathway.15  For our 
> patient, the role and composition of these inclusions remain to be 
> determined, but their existence seems more than coincidental.
>
> The cornerstone of treatment for drug-induced lung injury is drug 
> removal. The indications for prednisone are less clear. For this 
> case, a distinct and rapid improvement was observed after adding 
> prednisone, suggesting a possible role for early prednisone 
> initiation when etanercept-induced lung injury is suspected. This 
> observation also begs the question whether the true incidence of 
> drug-induced injury has been underestimated by the frequent practice 
> of combining etanercept with other immune-modulating agents, such as 
> prednisone or methotrexate.

Isn't that special?
So the Enbrel, once again, is a probable culprit, and of course, I am
now on prednisone, and it was methotrexate that screwed up my liver to
begin with.
I am just livid.

Thanks a million, Lynda.  I am printing this off for the doctor.

Bev


Lynda wrote:
> I'd look to see if you are eating a lot of high oxalate foods along 
> with your water problem.  Calcium oxalates are a big contender in the
>  kidney stone department.
>
> I would wonder if somehow the meds you are taking aren't acting like 
> oxalates in that things that are recommended (ginger, cinnamon) for 
> RA are high oxalate foods.  Seems that stuff might react in the body 
> like oxalates do?
>
> Just musing outloud <g>  when I had my kidney stone (knocked me to 
> the floor), my doc sent me home with enough stuff to read for 10 
> people and every now and again some of it bubbles to the surface.
>
> Lynda ----- Original Message ----- From: "EarthNSky" 
> <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
> > And that doesn't sound even close to my symptoms, but I know there 
> > are two strains of the stuff.
> >
> > Luckily, the ER doctor, however competent or incompetent he turns 
> > out to be(I will know when the culture comes back), did not make a 
> > big deal about it at all...no lectures, nothing, just some 
> > paperwork and lit about it.
> >
> > Yeah, whatever you got is probably my next antibiotic when the 
> > Septra is done.  He said that there was one more before IV stuff. 
> > Since I started my own suspicion that it might be MRSA, I have self
> >  imposed the bleaching routine and have been, for a couple of
> > months now, all kinds of stuff to take extra precautions.  There is
> > no way, even if this is 'just staph' that I would want JRose to
> > catch it...no way.
> >
> > My PCP said pretty much the same thing, that it was the diagnosis 
> > of the week.
> >
> > Shoot, at the hospital we were lucky that they even found it.  I 
> > was been discharged when I had to go to the bathroom and the urine 
> > was red. Even though I came in with kidney/back pain, they 
> > concentrated first on the Keflex drug reaction and then on my 
> > liver/gallbladder/pancreas workup.  The kidney pain got lost in the
> >  shuffle until I called the nurse to see the red.  They quickly 
> > performed a UA, no culture, and wrapped it up with a nice bow 
> > saying that it, too, was MRSA related and that the prescribed 
> > antibiotics would also help that.
> > > And, yes, what you describe sounds like a kidney stone.  Been 
> > > there done that and ain't planning on ever doing it again!  The 
> > > pain is, IMNSHO <g>, much worse than child birth!  UTIs (kidney 
> > > infections), on the other hand are merely annoying in comparison.
> > I have been very lucky to be almost 50 and to have never had an 
> > UTI.  I believe that I did pass a stone, because there was a clear 
> > break in time when I started to feel better and the pain eased, not
> >  to mention the sudden onset of pain out of the blue.  I thought
> > the pain of childbirth was a little greater, but this was scarier
> > to me because I did not know what was happening or why and I felt
> > like dying!
> >
> > Get this..last night my best friend called..she had been unaware of
> >  all of this...she told me that last Thursday, the day prior to my 
> > incident, she got a call from our other neighbor, C, and when she 
> > got to C's house, found C on the floor in pain.  Turns out C also 
> > had a kidney stone.  I know they are rather common, but almost 
> > everyone around here has had stones, so I think it might be all the
> >  calcium in the water.  We have very hard water here, everyone is
> > on a well in this karst limestone valley.  We all may be getting a
> > bit too much calcium and phosphorus. I'm not sure right now what
> > the solution to that would be other than buying bottled water,
> > which is a thought that is repulsive to me.  I like my hard well
> > water, my very own mineral water, and if those minerals really are
> > causing a problem, I need to figure out what I should be doing.
> >
> >
> >
> > > I think the last doc you saw is the go to guy!  Sounds like he 
> > > didn't go to graduate stick up the arse school!
> > He's a great doc.  I've been under treatment for 
> > hypothyroidism(Hashimotos) since I was about 15.  I can't tell you 
> > how many endocrinologists I've seen in multiple states over that 
> > time.  No one had ever been able to get my thyroid hormones 
> > stabilized until I started going to him, and he is a simple general
> >  practitioner.  He never felt constrained by the medical lit on the
> >  subject and not only did he think out of the box, he prescribed
> > out of the box, and as long as I do what I am supposed to do, I
> > feel great and have no trouble.
> >
> > B
> >
> >
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expedition is that it was the first documented trip in history where men
asked a woman for directions and followed them, allowing them to arrive
at their destination.