Homestead mailing list

[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

Isn't that the truth...  I figured it's a big learning curve, and while not 
only learning, but to tide over between the crop losses, I'll continue to 
stock some store bought food.  Otherwise I'd probably have to count on eating 
only a few different foods for a year... LOL.
 
You wouldn't believe how fast things dry here, including my skin.... I took 
seeds from an eggplant yesterday as an experiment, they are dry on the 
outside already.  When I first moved here the humidity was at times below 20% 
 
Wind I think will be a challenge at times.  I found a huge stack of 4'x4' 
crates (for free).  Had my brother cut one down to a more manageable 
height... for starters to start compost.  And then I started to think if I 
lined the inside a bit with something to keep the compost from slipping out 
the cracks, it would be perfect for veggies, as I could use the sides as wind 
breaks.  Another experiment to conduct....


--- On Sun, 12/14/08, Lisa K.V. Perry <lisakvperry AT gmail.com> wrote:

From: Lisa K.V. Perry <lisakvperry AT gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Seed shortages
To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 5:44 PM


On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:



If I don't manage to kill off most of the crops this year, I might have to 
become a vegetarian.. LOL.
 
I do intend to can up a fair amount of the tomatoes.

Leslie, you'll find that in your garden you'll have successes and failures 
and may not predict ahead of time which will be what. When something does 
spectacularly well, take advantage and put it up (can, freeze, dehydrate, 
save seeds) as best you can. Since you live in the desert, you can probably 
dehydrate food well in the summer. An example of an unexpected change from 
year to year is that we had tons of fruit this year, but last year we didn't 
have any due to the freeze on the East Coast. You never know what next year's 
garden will be like. Just keep plugging along. I'm a puppy on the Big Dog 
path of gardening, but even I continue to make progress.

Lisa
sw VA




>From cayadopi AT yahoo.com  Sun Dec 14 21:28:03 2008
Return-Path: <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
X-Original-To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Delivered-To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Received: by lists.ibiblio.org (Postfix, from userid 3002)
        id 598F24C02B; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:28:03 -0500 (EST)
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on malecky
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE
        autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3
Received: from web63802.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63802.mail.re1.yahoo.com
        [69.147.97.102])
        by lists.ibiblio.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D1C74C023
        for <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:28:02 -0500 
(EST)
Received: (qmail 30900 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2008 02:28:02 -0000
X-YMail-OSG: 
eeDMN_MVM1mzZirCeYPgP7EhRzbABZW4cSdmmAP6z_ADjfflvYsapu_9fB0bDWLkeBOKwp6xbDwsXZOXhWRi0oYZ4ayRwbXRjoqrF7zhAu2jz.7rZmQ48oHPhoYHgqDafi_Qa5vJmFyuIgPJ3KyLd2nEK68O1lh3i61deGKewZ6cYmroqEY5.fkwVujrVldSpTmWfyMoJPK3oBftf7EPdo0Tzq6fVg0-
Received: from [66.82.162.11] by web63802.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP;
        Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:28:02 PST
X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:28:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
In-Reply-To: <a37e31f0812141444yd8691a5of35fc3be8d4ef70a AT mail.gmail.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <376255.30624.qm AT web63802.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Seed shortages
X-BeenThere: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
Reply-To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
List-Id: <homestead.lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/homestead>,
        <mailto:homestead-request AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/homestead>
List-Post: <mailto:homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Help: <mailto:sympa AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=HELP>
List-Subscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/homestead>,
        <mailto:homestead-request AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:28:03 -0000

Isn't that the truth...  I figured it's a big learning curve, and while not 
only learning, but to tide over between the crop losses, I'll continue to 
stock some store bought food.  Otherwise I'd probably have to count on eating 
only a few different foods for a year... LOL.
 
You wouldn't believe how fast things dry here, including my skin.... I took 
seeds from an eggplant yesterday as an experiment, they are dry on the 
outside already.  When I first moved here the humidity was at times below 20% 
 
Wind I think will be a challenge at times.  I found a huge stack of 4'x4' 
crates (for free).  Had my brother cut one down to a more manageable 
height... for starters to start compost.  And then I started to think if I 
lined the inside a bit with something to keep the compost from slipping out 
the cracks, it would be perfect for veggies, as I could use the sides as wind 
breaks.  Another experiment to conduct....


--- On Sun, 12/14/08, Lisa K.V. Perry <lisakvperry AT gmail.com> wrote:

From: Lisa K.V. Perry <lisakvperry AT gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Seed shortages
To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 5:44 PM


On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:



If I don't manage to kill off most of the crops this year, I might have to 
become a vegetarian.. LOL.
 
I do intend to can up a fair amount of the tomatoes.

Leslie, you'll find that in your garden you'll have successes and failures 
and may not predict ahead of time which will be what. When something does 
spectacularly well, take advantage and put it up (can, freeze, dehydrate, 
save seeds) as best you can. Since you live in the desert, you can probably 
dehydrate food well in the summer. An example of an unexpected change from 
year to year is that we had tons of fruit this year, but last year we didn't 
have any due to the freeze on the East Coast. You never know what next year's 
garden will be like. Just keep plugging along. I'm a puppy on the Big Dog 
path of gardening, but even I continue to make progress.

Lisa
sw VA




>From cayadopi AT yahoo.com  Sun Dec 14 21:28:31 2008
Return-Path: <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
X-Original-To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Delivered-To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Received: by lists.ibiblio.org (Postfix, from userid 3002)
        id AD7F04C02D; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:28:31 -0500 (EST)
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on malecky
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE
        autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3
Received: from web63806.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63806.mail.re1.yahoo.com
        [69.147.97.106])
        by lists.ibiblio.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0EF814C02B
        for <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:28:31 -0500 
(EST)
Received: (qmail 86058 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2008 02:28:30 -0000
X-YMail-OSG: 
omzpKrYVM1mgmroa6y1QinaHnLd.ue1cBI2zl6vHrMc37VWYpthuxf20wYuZU3u_gJjS10yBf2tK1lOQ3Xf6pxQwBtaqBs840ynUx4ju1NZpvCGToaHRlUXg68EwQEJaS54EwXXXaCJUpwg1ruLwACTktMXCLrpXeTlOwWdVWgKIFVP4CfAcR8HXG67wAU8QvuQ8ymAPTV37N1QvBAVrjYVE.3G7Z0g-
Received: from [66.82.162.11] by web63806.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP;
        Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:28:30 PST
X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:28:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
In-Reply-To: <a37e31f0812141444yd8691a5of35fc3be8d4ef70a AT mail.gmail.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <874030.85064.qm AT web63806.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Seed shortages
X-BeenThere: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
Reply-To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
List-Id: <homestead.lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/homestead>,
        <mailto:homestead-request AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/homestead>
List-Post: <mailto:homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Help: <mailto:sympa AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=HELP>
List-Subscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/homestead>,
        <mailto:homestead-request AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:28:31 -0000

Isn't that the truth...  I figured it's a big learning curve, and while not 
only learning, but to tide over between the crop losses, I'll continue to 
stock some store bought food.  Otherwise I'd probably have to count on eating 
only a few different foods for a year... LOL.
 
You wouldn't believe how fast things dry here, including my skin.... I took 
seeds from an eggplant yesterday as an experiment, they are dry on the 
outside already.  When I first moved here the humidity was at times below 20% 
 
Wind I think will be a challenge at times.  I found a huge stack of 4'x4' 
crates (for free).  Had my brother cut one down to a more manageable 
height... for starters to start compost.  And then I started to think if I 
lined the inside a bit with something to keep the compost from slipping out 
the cracks, it would be perfect for veggies, as I could use the sides as wind 
breaks.  Another experiment to conduct....

--- On Sun, 12/14/08, Lisa K.V. Perry <lisakvperry AT gmail.com> wrote:

From: Lisa K.V. Perry <lisakvperry AT gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Seed shortages
To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 5:44 PM


On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:



If I don't manage to kill off most of the crops this year, I might have to 
become a vegetarian.. LOL.
 
I do intend to can up a fair amount of the tomatoes.

Leslie, you'll find that in your garden you'll have successes and failures 
and may not predict ahead of time which will be what. When something does 
spectacularly well, take advantage and put it up (can, freeze, dehydrate, 
save seeds) as best you can. Since you live in the desert, you can probably 
dehydrate food well in the summer. An example of an unexpected change from 
year to year is that we had tons of fruit this year, but last year we didn't 
have any due to the freeze on the East Coast. You never know what next year's 
garden will be like. Just keep plugging along. I'm a puppy on the Big Dog 
path of gardening, but even I continue to make progress.

Lisa
sw VA




>From cayadopi AT yahoo.com  Sun Dec 14 21:28:44 2008
Return-Path: <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
X-Original-To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Delivered-To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Received: by lists.ibiblio.org (Postfix, from userid 3002)
        id B66A84C02B; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:28:44 -0500 (EST)
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on malecky
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE
        autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3
Received: from web63804.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63804.mail.re1.yahoo.com
        [69.147.97.104])
        by lists.ibiblio.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AEB74C023
        for <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:28:43 -0500 
(EST)
Received: (qmail 50374 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Dec 2008 02:28:43 -0000
X-YMail-OSG: 
3haGH_0VM1lOGg_w9LXnxt5R9MQ4tRn86oDd4uvcChwjs9oog_oPY9ztQ6Xt2hn8hKAs6JohHTXOw70UsvbwK7IFEoPRGyacn9mvS3bvtWaZgzAXn37m5IqzWeFcWMjN8YYAokjRjtb_rHvoTmGdCnGLpi.4m_qcElNLsmV2ca4QA5vXt2XGYYXS.B_6KAbvM16hyZZ2sKPmGyNHbqIX_lZ0hKx.gBk-
Received: from [66.82.162.11] by web63804.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP;
        Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:28:42 PST
X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:28:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
In-Reply-To: <a37e31f0812141444yd8691a5of35fc3be8d4ef70a AT mail.gmail.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <340573.49609.qm AT web63804.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Seed shortages
X-BeenThere: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
Reply-To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
List-Id: <homestead.lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/homestead>,
        <mailto:homestead-request AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/homestead>
List-Post: <mailto:homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Help: <mailto:sympa AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=HELP>
List-Subscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/homestead>,
        <mailto:homestead-request AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:28:44 -0000

Isn't that the truth...  I figured it's a big learning curve, and while not 
only learning, but to tide over between the crop losses, I'll continue to 
stock some store bought food.  Otherwise I'd probably have to count on eating 
only a few different foods for a year... LOL.
 
You wouldn't believe how fast things dry here, including my skin.... I took 
seeds from an eggplant yesterday as an experiment, they are dry on the 
outside already.  When I first moved here the humidity was at times below 20% 
 
Wind I think will be a challenge at times.  I found a huge stack of 4'x4' 
crates (for free).  Had my brother cut one down to a more manageable 
height... for starters to start compost.  And then I started to think if I 
lined the inside a bit with something to keep the compost from slipping out 
the cracks, it would be perfect for veggies, as I could use the sides as wind 
breaks.  Another experiment to conduct....

--- On Sun, 12/14/08, Lisa K.V. Perry <lisakvperry AT gmail.com> wrote:

From: Lisa K.V. Perry <lisakvperry AT gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Seed shortages
To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 5:44 PM


On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:



If I don't manage to kill off most of the crops this year, I might have to 
become a vegetarian.. LOL.
 
I do intend to can up a fair amount of the tomatoes.

Leslie, you'll find that in your garden you'll have successes and failures 
and may not predict ahead of time which will be what. When something does 
spectacularly well, take advantage and put it up (can, freeze, dehydrate, 
save seeds) as best you can. Since you live in the desert, you can probably 
dehydrate food well in the summer. An example of an unexpected change from 
year to year is that we had tons of fruit this year, but last year we didn't 
have any due to the freeze on the East Coast. You never know what next year's 
garden will be like. Just keep plugging along. I'm a puppy on the Big Dog 
path of gardening, but even I continue to make progress.

Lisa
sw VA




>From karen AT plamondon.com  Sun Dec 14 21:41:04 2008
Return-Path: <karen AT plamondon.com>
X-Original-To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Delivered-To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Received: by lists.ibiblio.org (Postfix, from userid 3002)
        id 7C08A4C02B; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:41:04 -0500 (EST)
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on malecky
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE
        autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3
Received: from plamondon.com (plo-cr1-212-183.peak.org [69.59.212.183])
        by lists.ibiblio.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09FB4C023
        for <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:41:03 -0500 
(EST)
Received: from karen2 (karen.plamondon.com [172.17.0.52])
        by plamondon.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBF2eXK6004014
        for <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:40:33 -0800
Message-Id: <200812150240.mBF2eXK6004014 AT plamondon.com>
From: "Karen L. Black" <karen AT plamondon.com>
To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:40:24 -0800
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510
Thread-Index: AcleXnsmgKRjOAJkRNOG9jW5zPmUqQ=X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft 
MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350
X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2
        (plamondon.com [172.16.0.1]); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:40:33 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90RC1.1,
        clamav-milter version devel-131006 on cerberus.plamondon.com
X-Virus-Status: Clean
Content-Type: text/plain;
        charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Preparation for WTSHTF questions
X-BeenThere: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
Reply-To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
List-Id: <homestead.lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/homestead>,
        <mailto:homestead-request AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/homestead>
List-Post: <mailto:homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Help: <mailto:sympa AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=HELP>
List-Subscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/homestead>,
        <mailto:homestead-request AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:41:04 -0000

I'm still catching up with the digests (I'm up to Friday so far), but wanted
to touch on a  couple points in this thread.

Steve Solomon, who wrote "Gardening West of the Cascades" and started
Territorial Seeds (not coincidently, west of the Cascades) has a book out
called "Gardening When It Counts: Growing Food in Hard Times"
(http://www.amazon.com/Gardening-When-Counts-Growing-Mother/dp/086571553X/re
f=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid29308109&sr=8-2) which I think is worth
reading. He has illustrations of how vegetables' roots extend underground to
demonstrate why he recommends that most plants should be spaced farther
apart than is customary, and even more if you are relying on groundwater or
intermittant rain during growth. What he talks about, he has done.

Raised beds have one disadvantage in a desert; they need more water than a
flat or sunken bed. This is no problem here in Oregon, where my clayey soil
pretty much demands well-drained beds, and it's not much of a problem where
rainfall is regular. As I recall, the Hopi grew their plants in basins to
catch any water to get the best out of their gardens.

Karen Black
Norton Creek Farm
Blodgett, OR