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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

I can't argue with that at all..........
 
But it supports my whacky idea, that Fed Chair Greenspan instead of taking 
steps to prevent a disasterous bubble, purposesly fueled the flames instead.
 
 
We agree on the source of true wealth - that which first can produce the 
essentials of survival.
 
And I suspect the world over the next X years is about to learn the same.
 
The when part is the most difficult.  How long do we have left to prepare?  
Does the government have none, one or more cycles of delaying the day of 
reconciliation that goods do not appear without being produced, just because 
money is created out of thin air?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com> wrote:

From: Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Thought this list would appreciate this!
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 10:01 AM

> >Greenspan in his book informs that the Fed knew somewhere in 1999-2001
(I 
> forget the exact year) that a housing bubble was in the making,

Not only Greespan and the Fed but anyone else with half a brain knew it.  
Just as anyone now with a quarter brain sees that with the creation of all 
the 
fiat wealth (the promise of wealth to come because we dictated the money into 
existence) has made a generation of people who expect goods but do not expect
to 
materially participate in creating them (why do that if you have
'wealth'?).

James
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Bev and I were talking about RA before I joined the board.
 
As a kid I drank fresh milk, fresh cream, and homemade butter.  I never had 
any trouble with any arthritis symptoms.
 
However when I moved to FL I was drinking and eating typical supermarket food 
including dairy products.  By the time I was 35, I could barely walk, and 
after a battery of tests including genetic testing for RA, was told I had 
sarcoidosis and would need meds forever.    Sarcoidosis is some kind of 
autoimmune disease.
 
All I can say is fortunate for me, I can never remember to take pills for 
more than a couple of days...  Not too long after Andrew I was in a health 
food store and spotted a book called, I Cure My Arthritis And So Can You.  
Long story but the bottom line the lady had RA all her life and found out it 
was really food allergies.
 
I followed a slightly modified version of the fasting and ruling out foods 
thru reintroduction and wallah, dairy was the culprit.... in thinking about 
it this morning, I can't help but wonder if it is caused by those big dairy 
farms and all their drugs....
 
I've seen videos on the chicken egg farms, hens smashed in small cages.  I 
haven't seen anything about the pig farms.  google time....

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Excellent NYT editorial
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Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 11:21 AM

Unfortunately, the  dairy farm you describe is the norm today. They are 
called "confinement" or factory farms. There are 'grazing
daries', that 
operate like your grandparent's farm, but they are few and far between. We 
have quite a few in the northeast, because pastures grows so well here, and 
dairy farms tend to be smaller, in the 50-200 cow range, and not the 1000+ 
cow dairies that are common in the west. The confinement pig and chicken 
farms are even worse; the animals never get to go outside.

Lynn Wigglesworth
Tioga Co. PA

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Having been on my grandparent's dairy farm as a kid - where the cows were 
turn out and rotated thru various tracts of land during the day,,,, I was 
shocked, I mean drop dead shocked when I saw how dairy cows are treated here 
in NM. I now wonder if this is what dairy farms have become all over the 
country.

There are literally hundreds of cows enclosed in a hot sunny, manure filled 
pens, with a central metal roof. The pen is fenced around the permiter with 
the "things" the cows put their heads thru to eat food. The workers
spread 
alfalfa all around the perimeter, and the cows eat whenever they want. Then 
they lay in piles of manure chewing their cud. The smell can be smelled a 
mile away.

And there are pens after pens after pens,,,, The largest that I have seen so 
far is along I-10 between Las Cruces, NM and El Paso, TX

No wonder they need antibiotics! The cows were filthy. I'm sure they must
go 
thru some kind of a shower before milking but what a waste of water in the 
desert. On top of truly horrible conditions for those cows.

Maybe the NYT needs photos of where milk comes from....

--- On Thu, 12/11/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
Subject: [Homestead] Excellent NYT editorial
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Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 9:02 AM


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/11/opinion/11kristof.html?_r=1

As Barack Obama ponders whom to pick as agriculture secretary, he should
reframe the question. What he needs is actually a bold reformer in a
position renamed "secretary of food."

Lynn Wigglesworth

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Okay - I was close (but no cigar). Given, Wonder Woman is a bit more
patriotic, considering her costume. I do think, however, that both of them  
probably
change their clothes in the same phone booth.

I am absolutely giddy today at the prospect of NOT having to go anywhere
except out the back door to feed the landlord's cat, so any contributions made
to the list in the next few hours may come off as a bit goofy.

After yesterday's question-and-answer session regarding my 'seasonal
disability', I did end up going into town and doing shopping and a doctor's
appointment, and came home with a horrible knot in my stomach. Took me a good 
 hour to
calm down after returning home, especially since it was pitch-dark by  then
and there are no outside lights here.

Of course, I had done the totally un-James thing, and not taken the
flashlight with me, since I "a**sumed" I'd be home before the sun went down.  
Toopid.

I say Thank You to everyone who responded - made me feel better about
wondering if I was living alone with some strange malady. I will answer  
those posts
later today. I am off now to do three days' worth of dishes - and  happy at
the prospect. Out the kitchen window I can see a flock of a  gazillion
ring-necked mourning doves who are chowing down on yesterday's spent  bird 
seed.

None of this, of course, has anything to do with the subject line, so away  I
go. Just thought I'd say, "Good Morning".

Sandy
Mid-Mojave



In a message dated 12/11/2008 7:44:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
genegerue AT ruralize.com writes:


On  Dec 11, 2008, at 8:35 AM, Bunjov AT aol.com wrote:

> Hah!  Coincidentally, Bev, if memory serves, "superwoman" is the
>  term  Gene
> used when he was welcoming you back to the list after  your last
> long  absence?







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