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  • From: Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] Cool food storage
  • Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:33:16 -0800 (PST)

Is there any specific reason to not plastic?

--- On Tue, 12/9/08, Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com> wrote:

From: Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Cool food storage
To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 1:49 PM

On Dec 9, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Leslie wrote:

> Gene,
>
> For storing potatos / carrots in the soil, does the soil have to
> remain above freezing?

Yes. That's what the mulch does, keep the soil from freezing. When you
want potatoes, you pull back mulch and lift the spuds. In good soil
you can do this with no tool save your hands.

An alternative way is to dig a hole and bury a small barrel or wood
box (not plastic), fill with potatoes, top with lots of organic
material: mulch, straw, grass and leaf collection from fall mowing. Do
not clean the potatoes. Lift them, leave them on the ground until the
clinging dirt and skins have dried a bit, then store. Handle as gently
as possible to avoid bruising. Some people make layers of spuds and
straw.


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I LOVE cloth diapers.... thanks for reminding me.  One of those things that I
had forgotten to purchase on my stock up on supplies list....

--- On Tue, 12/9/08, Bunjov AT aol.com <Bunjov AT aol.com> wrote:

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Subject: Melons (was Anti-Doctor)
To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com
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Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 2:00 PM



Your idea about the old T-shirts (excellent) brings to mind a recent
discussion about the sadness of the demise of cloth diapers - useful for
everything! Lasted for years! Can be used for everything from car / truck
washes to cheesecloth. I even keep a couple of them in the drawer with
rolling pin, etc. and safety-pin them around my pastry board - dusted with
flour - they make it possible to pick up a thinly-rolled pie crust without
cracking.
Sandy
Mid-Mojave
 

In a message dated 12/9/2008 10:31:32 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
cayadopi AT yahoo.com writes:
This is a big watermelon area.  They have some kind of underground watering
system in the field closest to me.  Not sure about the other fields, must I
sure don't see the flood system in the melon fields, so they must do
something similar. 
 
I hadn't read that other melons have to be tied up.... haven't gotten that
far in my how to reading yet... LOL.  I did decide that the melon patch is in
the sunniest location.  Not much natural shade here though.  Panty hose seems
reasonable to me!  or even old t-shirts cut up?
 


--- On Tue, 12/9/08, Bunjov AT aol.com <Bunjov AT aol.com> wrote:

From: Bunjov AT aol.com <Bunjov AT aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Anti-Doctor
To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com
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Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 1:22 PM

Well, maybe I can be of some little help.

My best friend, 3.3 miles away - also on 5 acres of my same sort of 
sand-and-stuff - keeps a garden where she's had, every year, good results
with 
tomatoes, and peppers, and some little luck with melons. This last year was
her

first attempt at the melons, but they seemed to be 'under-developed'
(don't  know
how else to describe it). Kinda like Dolly Parton on a slow day.

She had the tomatoes and peppers on a slow-drip kind of arrangement, and 
moved the hose every day - and that worked out fine - but we thought  perhaps
the
melons (lying on the ground) were getting drowned.

She didn't want to tie them up to the chain link fence enclosure, for fear

of squeezing the stems too tight, so I suggested (no laughing allowed) that
she

buy a couple of the little containers of 25-cent anklet pantyhose from the
local  Wallyworld, and truss them up to the fence. I think this would have
worked, but  we got to them too late.

All this train of thought reminds me of James' posts a year or so ago where

he sent such lovely photos of his hops vines...maybe you can look them up in
the  archives. I don't know whatever I'd use them for, but they sure
were 
purty!

I also think, because of the way the garden enclosure is situated, that 
where she had the melons planted needed more direct sun...in the afternoon.
As
it
was, there was a huge stand of oleanders blocking the light from noon on. I 
think this would have made all the difference.

She lost her husband a couple of years ago - I've been trying to keep her 
busy with paying attention to the property that he and she built together -
35

years ago - there are probably 25 (or so) lovely pine trees that were planted 

every year after Christmas - they were heavy into the 'green' thing.
Spent
their  honeymoon traveling the Alcan Highway in one of the first of the
Volkswagon  busses.

I think we are Zone 9a.

Sandy
Mid-Mojave






In a message dated 12/9/2008 9:50:07 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
cayadopi AT yahoo.com writes:

Thanks,  I was hoping you were doing some desert condition gardening.  I can
read  all the desert gardening manuals out there, but there is nothing  like
hearing it from someone who is doing it.  My immediate neighbor east  of me,
gardens, but not at the homestead level.  There is a neighbor  about 2 miles
north who has a much more substanital garden and now that I see  her plants
are

all pulled up, it's time to go pay a visit and find out what  she has had
success with here.  I really would like peas...... but not  sure I'll have
the
right growing season, even if I try for a late fall  harvest.



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From: Bunjov AT aol.com  <Bunjov AT aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Anti-Doctor
To:  cayadopi AT yahoo.com
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Date: Tuesday,  December 9, 2008, 12:28 PM

Oh, how I wish I could be of some help to  you!

Unfortunately, I am merely a semi-professional lurker on this  awesome  list.

I do live in the desert - 20 miles east of Barstow,  CA - midway between the 
15 and the 40 (speaking of that - Gene -  where is Don these days?). My own 
personal piece of dirt (5 acres of  sand and scrub brush is less than a mile
up

the road - I can see it  from here, where I am renting a 'mountain cabin in
the
desert') - but  the plans I had for it (1987) were quashed when I had to
leave  work  and go on disability. My 'significant other' is 82 now,
and
I sent 
him,  back in '05, to care for his - now 106 - mother in the San  Francisco
Bay
area.  We see each other 2-3 times a year, if we're  lucky.

I am closely following your progress because it is the 'new'  people,
like 
you, who - along with these very knowledgeable list  denizens - who  give hope
to
those of us who have resigned  ourselves to living life from  the sidelines.

I admire your spunk  and your enthusiasm! Don't ever give up fighting the 
good  fight!

Sandy
Mid-Mojave


In a message dated 12/9/2008  8:51:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
cayadopi AT yahoo.com  writes:

Sandy,  are you farming in desert  conditions?




--- On  Tue, 12/9/08, Bunjov AT aol.com  <Bunjov AT aol.com> wrote:

From:  Bunjov AT aol.com  <Bunjov AT aol.com>
Subject: [Homestead]  Anti-Doctor
To:  homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Tuesday, December 9,  2008, 11:34  AM

>I realize that I'm just being nosey and obnoxious at  this  point, 
and
you
>can just tell me to f-off, but why   do doctors and check-ups  influence
your

>decisions?  I'm  anti-doctor, and believe that we each know  our health
and 
our 
>bodies better than they do.

The list has been so  bizzy, bizzy  the last several days! As usual, I've
just
been  hangin' back and  absorbing 'stuff'...

But I can't let the  'anti-doctor' comment pass by.  So glad to
meet

another!

I  can't begin to recount how many times  I've been  prescribed
conflicting 
medications...by the same  physician  - sitting right there in front of me, 
consulting his  dog-eared  edition of the PDR...

Last time around, it took them four  days -  in a hospital bed - and 7 
(seven!) drugs to finally figure  out  that my gall bladder and I need to
part
company.

Pleeze!  

Two of those prescriptions, in conjunction, are 'known to cause early 
onset

dementia'. Maybe I wrote this before? Sometimes memory does  not  serve
(the


result, no doubt, of listening to too many  doctors)   <g>

Sandy
Mid-Mojave


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Solid plastic would inhibit moisture movement. Those plastic food
boxes with lots of openings should work.

On Dec 9, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Leslie wrote:

> Is there any specific reason to not plastic?
>
> --- On Tue, 12/9/08, Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com> wrote:
>
> From: Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Cool food storage
> To: cayadopi AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Tuesday, December 9, 2008, 1:49 PM
>
> On Dec 9, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Leslie wrote:
>
>> Gene,
>>
>> For storing potatos / carrots in the soil, does the soil have to
>> remain above freezing?
>
> Yes. That's what the mulch does, keep the soil from freezing. When you
> want potatoes, you pull back mulch and lift the spuds. In good soil
> you can do this with no tool save your hands.
>
> An alternative way is to dig a hole and bury a small barrel or wood
> box (not plastic), fill with potatoes, top with lots of organic
> material: mulch, straw, grass and leaf collection from fall mowing. Do
> not clean the potatoes. Lift them, leave them on the ground until the
> clinging dirt and skins have dried a bit, then store. Handle as gently
> as possible to avoid bruising. Some people make layers of spuds and
> straw.




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