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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

The SS thing completely evades me .. There is no money, 'None', in SS.  
'None'.  I read that by 2016 there will obnly be 2.5 people working and 
paying into SS for every person drawing from SS.  I just don't see how it is 
sustainable.  If it is not sustaines; it won'y just be people now collecting, 
or people looking to collect soon, who will suffer.  SS going bust would 
cause a societal meltdown........bobford


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--- On Sun, 11/9/08, EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net> wrote:

> From: EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Half of U.S. "on the dole"
> To: bobford79 AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 10:20 AM
> In my opinion, this is the problem with entitlement programs
> like social
> security-they seem unsustainable over the long term.  Even
> under a
> stable economy, population growth seems to throw a wrench
> into the
> system. In addition, when SS was enacted, people only lived
> into their
> late sixties, and now, people live far longer, straining
> the system
> resources.  My point is that very often, what sounds like a
> great idea
> on paper that will solve an immediate problem, is not
> sustainable over
> the long term(50-100 years) or the super long term(100+)
> I think, in the 'giving it back' phrase, he could
> be talking about
> anything from 401k savings to higher taxes, to mandatory
> public service
> with no compensation.  I'm not even sure that would
> make it sustainable,
> but it would help.
> Also, forget the EU, NAFTA was the first step in creating
> an American
> Union, which, in the hopes of the NWO folks, would lead
> including both
> hemispheres.  I doubt his 2012 timeline is accurate, but I
> think he
> describes the direction the country is headed, and I think
> we would be
> headed in that direction with or without Obama, so I am not
> blaming him.
> Those are my thoughts.
> 
> Bev
> 
> 
> > The Death of the American Idea An electorate living
> high off the entitlement hog.
> <snip>. Just under half the population will be, as
> > Daniel Henninger pointed out in the Wall Street
> Journal, on the dole.
> >  By 2012, it will be more than half, and this will be
> an electorate where the majority of the electorate will be
> able to vote itself more
> >  lollipops from the minority of their compatriots
> still dumb enough
> > to prioritize self-reliance, dynamism, and innovation
> over the
> > sedating cocoon of the nanny state. That is the death
> of the American
> > idea — which, after all, began as an economic
> argument: “No taxation
> > without representation" is a great rallying cry.
> “No representation
> > without taxation” has less mass appeal. For how do
> you tell an
> > electorate living high off the entitlement hog that
> it's
> > unsustainable and you've got to give some of it
> back?
> > 
> > At that point, America might as well apply for
> honorary membership in
> >  the European Union. It will be a nation at odds with
> the spirit of its founding, and embarking on decline from
> which there are few escape routes. In 2012, the least we
> deserve is a choice between the collectivist assumptions of
> the Democrats, and a candidate who stands
> >  for individual liberty — for economic dynamism not
> the sclerotic “managed capitalism” of Germany; for the
> First Amendment, not Canadian-style government regulation of
> approved opinion; for self-reliance and the Second
> Amendment, not the security state in which Britons are
> second only to North Koreans in the number of times
> >  they're photographed by government cameras in the
> course of going about their daily business.
> > 
> > In Forbes this week, Claudia Rosett issued a stirring
> defense of individual liberty. That it should require a
> stirring defense at all is a melancholy reflection on this
> election season. Live free — or die from a thousand
> beguiling caresses of nanny-state sirens. "
> 
> -- “Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to
> anger. Anger leads to
> hate. Hate leads to suffering.”        Yoda