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Ok, now, define enemy combatants. They can be anyone. Yes, Joe the  
Plumber, if his neighbor who doesn't like him tells the cops he was  
doing something suspicious recently. There's actually an 800 Tip Line.

You and I...oh dear Bob, the greatest legal brains in the land are  
fighting over this, I don't we will be able to settle it to our  
satisfaction any time soon.

All I know is... I know I'm on SOME list, given the amount of protests  
I've been to. When I get stopped for some stupid traffic infraction I  
made by mistake, am I now an enemy combatant. Because the way the law  
reads, I could be.

On Oct 31, 2008, at 10:09 PM, bob ford wrote:

> "[edit] Scope of the Act
> Sec. 948b. Military commissions generally
>
> (a) Purpose— This chapter establishes procedures governing the use  
> of military commissions to try alien unlawful enemy combatants  
> engaged in hostilities against the United States for violations of  
> the law of war and other offenses triable by military commission. "
>
> ****Note "alien unlawful enemy combatants". 'not' "joe the citizen"
>
>    &
>
> ****SCOTUS has ruled that 'section 7 " of the Act is  
> unconstitutional, though you wouldn't know it by going to the ACLU  
> site.  This is just fund-raising fodder for them - ignore their  
> propaganda. By the way, I still don't know what section 7 is, but  
> evidently that is what was found most objectional by the plaintaffs  
> seeking habaeus corpus.
>
> The Constitution does 'not' specifically give any rights to foreign  
> combatants who are fighting against us on foreign soil.  It just  
> does not.  This Act maight be good or bad depending on your view of  
> "human" rights in war.  But it does not conflict with the  
> Constitution. .....bobford
>
>
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> --- On Fri, 10/31/08, paxamicus AT earthlink.net  
> <paxamicus AT earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > From: paxamicus AT earthlink.net <paxamicus AT earthlink.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Homestead] Stealing an Election-Big Picture
> > To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 7:52 PM
> > As far as I know, Boumediene v. Bush was about military
> > detainees, it
> > did not impact the Military Commissions Act, which is what
> > constitutes
> > denial of habeus corpus to the average, begging your
> > pardon, Joe the
> > Plumber. And anyway, he issued some signing statement after
> > Boumediene
> > that negated what the SCOTUS said, anyway.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 31, 2008, at 5:26 PM, bob ford wrote:
> >
> > > The reach of habeas corpus is currently being tested
> > in the United
> > > States. Oral arguments on a consolidated Guantanamo
> > Bay detention
> > > camp detainee habeas corpus petition,
> > >
> > > Al Odah v. United States were heard by the Supreme
> > Court of the
> > > United States on December 5, 2007. US courts'
> > jurisdiction was
> > > altered by Congress in HR 1955, The Violent
> > Radicalization and
> > > Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007.
> > >
> > > On June 12, 2008, the Supreme Court ruling in
> > Boumediene v. Bush
> > > recognized habeas corpus rights for the Guantanamo
> > prisoners. On
> > > October 7, 2008, the first Guantanamo prisoners were
> > ordered
> > > released by a court considering a habeus corpus
> > petition.[3]
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus
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