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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

Lynn, I posted a youtube of Naomi Wolf.  My point was that a woman , once 
considered intellectually formidable, was beginning to show neurotic 
tendencies.  I

f you read the quotation (from today) below, you will see that she is 
conversely daily with Erica Jong, and they are gathering  at the 'ne plus 
ultra' of magical neurotic circles with other intellectulall luminaries such 
as Jane Fonda and Susan Cheever.  Fortunately this blathering group is being 
sustained with accupuncture treatments and diazepam .....bobford 

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Erica Jong Tells Italians Obama Loss 'Will Spark the Second American Civil 
War. Blood Will Run in the Streets'

by Jason Horowitz  |  October 30, 2008 |  

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Erica Jong, 1976.It seems that the final days of the presidential campaign 
have made Erica Jong and her friends more than a little anxious.

A few days ago, Jong, the author and self-described feminist, gave an 
interview to the Italian daily Corriere della Sera, the choicest bits of 
which were brought to my attention by the reliably sharp-eyed Christian 
Rocca, the U.S. correspondent of Il Foglio, who published excerpts on his 
Camillo blog. Basically, Jong says her fear that Obama might lose the 
election has developed into an "obsession. A paralyzing terror. An anxious 
fever that keeps you awake at night." She also says that her friends Jane 
Fonda and Naomi Wolf are extremely worried that Obama will be sabotaged by 
Republican dirty tricks, and that if an Obama loss indeed comes to pass, the 
result will be a second American Civil War. 

Here's a translation of Jong's more spirited quotes to the Milan-based 
Corriere, as selected by Rocca. 

"The record shows that voting machines in America are rigged."

 

"My friends Ken Follett and Susan Cheever are extremely worried. Naomi Wolf 
calls me every day. Yesterday, Jane Fonda sent me an email to tell me that 
she cried all night and can't cure her ailing back for all the stress that 
has reduces her to a bundle of nerves." 

"My back is also suffering from spasms, so much so that I had to see an 
acupuncturist and get prescriptions for Valium." 

"After having stolen the last two elections, the Republican Mafia…" 

"If Obama loses it will spark the second American Civil War. Blood will run 
in the streets, believe me. And it's not a coincidence that President Bush 
recalled soldiers from Iraq for Dick Cheney to lead against American citizens 
in the streets." 

"Bush has transformed America into a police state, from torture to the 
imprisonment of reporters, to the Patriot Act." 



She also laments that not all of America's men of letters share her devotion 
to Obama.

 

"Tom Wolfe and John Updike are men of the right and Philip Roth is at this 
point a hermit who leads a monastic life in Connecticut, far from everything 
and everybody." 

Luckily, she said there is her and Michael Chabon, who, she says, have "taken 
the place of Susan Sontag and Norman Mailer respectively." 

They have the same political sensibilities, she said, but a better "sense of 
humor."
 


http://www.observer.com/2008/politics/erica-jong-tells-italians-obama-loss-will-spark-second-american-civil-war-blood-will-r



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--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Stealing an Election-Big Picture
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 11:31 AM
> Bev; a while back, Bob posted a link to an article by Naomi
> Wolf. Her 
> argument was similar to yours, about government taking
> over, taking away 
> our rights, but she argues that Bush has already
> accomplished most of 
> it. I don't remember if this is the same article he
> posted, but she 
> makes the same points in it:
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment
> 
> Lynn Wigglesworth
> 
> EarthNSky wrote:
> > This is a lay it on the line post.  As many of you
> know, I do believe
> > that there are People Out There, call them whatever
> you want, that pull
> > the strings and make things happen on a large scale. 
> I think the
> > chapter outlined below could set up global or at least
> regional
> > consolidation of power for those people.
> > 
> > bob ford wrote:
> >> Bev, hoping this is just a drill, not the real
> thing, and who plans 
> >> to write a letter to her representative outlining
> these concerns, in 
> >> hopes that no one, Republican or Democrat, is ever
> able to do that.
> > 
> >> Bev, wait until nezxt wed. am .  Hpefully this
> will be clear cut, one
> >>  way or the other.
> > 
> > I'll admit that this election has really affected
> me, but this coup idea
> > is not new.  Back in the 90's when I first got
> online, people were
> > afraid Clinton would become a dictator through all of
> his executive
> > orders...then it was Bush's turn to become the
> Evil King To Be..one of
> > the reason's Hillary lost, as you know, is this
> lingering fear of
> > Clinton dictatorship/Legacy.  And like Lynn pointed
> out, as unpopular as
> > Bush was, there was no impeachment there, so
> impeachment seems to be
> > more of a political tool of embarrassment than a way
> of removing a
> > president from office.  There seems to be no recourse
> when a President
> > is 'bad' and when the Senate refuses to
> impeach.
> > So, in this election, or the next one, or the next
> one, or any election,
> > really, a few people really could hijack the process
> while we dick
> > around arguing about whether picture ID's
> disenfranchises voters or
> > whether felons should vote or whether electronic
> voting is rigged or
> > whether candidates can take 'laundered' money
> via gift cards, etc. etc...
> > I really only use Obama as an example cuz he is the
> President du
> > Jour and the current Democrats fill the conspiracy
> roles nicely.
> > But think about it...What if..Pelosi, Frank, Reid, and
> maybe a few other
> > top left leaning Democrats cooked up this scheme to
> elect a very liberal
> >   President who would transform America into some
> Super Democracy of
> > their own warped thinking(I do believe that there are
> people out there,
> > both left and right of center, who truly believe that
> America would be
> > greater if...whatever..they may not have evil
> intentions at all, but
> > they do have the intent to drastically and radically
> change this
> > country.)  So, the Democratic Cabal rework the plan,
> the Leftist Plan
> > for America that has been tabled since the 60's,
> waiting for the day
> > when Democrats controlled everything and then...In
> walks Obama, an IL
> > State Senator, who is a poster child for American
> symbolism and
> > history..biracial, single parent, moved around...yada
> yada, AND who is
> > very left leaning, so left that the NP has endorsed
> him.  He is perfect
> > for the part.
> > Suddenly, he has a speaking gig at a convention, and
> despite him saying
> > one day that he was not ready to be president, starts
> a campaign to do
> > just that a year later.  With help from the upper
> eschelons of the Left
> > Cabal of the Democratic party, he was groomed...
> > Meanwhile, The Wicked Witch and her henchmen start
> cooking the books
> > with Fannie and Freddie and the gang and setting the
> table so that
> > America would bow down and welcome anyone who
> represented Change, and we
> > would be so desperate for that that we would overlook
> any potential
> > pitfall the candidate has. Money would be spend to put
> Dems in the House
> > and Senate.  Media would be bought and paid for, Bush
> digs his own grave
> > and recall that Pelosi refused to lead the charge call
> for impeachment,
> > just allowing the sore to fester, McCain and the rest
> of the Republicans
> > can't find any unity and of course have to fight
> Bush's image, etc. etc.
> > Republicanism is allowed to become a festering cancre
> in the minds of
> > the public.
> > To make sure things go the right way and to provide an
> excellent
> > distraction, two things are done...the economy is
> intentionally tanked
> > to make people desperate and give the candidate a
> talking point to
> > distract from his past/associations, etc., AND groups
> like ACORN and
> > other minions of the Party encourage fraud in
> registration and voting-
> > the ground game, which has enough distance from the
> candidate that he
> > cannot be held liable for their actions.
> > So..Obama wins the election in a close-fought battle,
> close enough that
> > a stink is made about fraud and there are multiple
> investigations across
> > many states.  Of course, no one holds Obama personally
> liable, but let's
> > say they find he won due to fraud in several states
> and through the
> > electoral process, was wrongly made president. Due to
> apathy, his
> > popularity, and the fact that he has only been in
> office less than a
> > year, he is given a pass, so to speak, and all is
> well, because by then,
> > people will be getting their first checks from the
> administration,
> > ..stimulus checks, tax rebates, or whatever it happens
> to be, the people
> > will see Change in their pockets and be quiet.
> > Over the next year, however, the tide begins to turn,
> and for whatever
> > reason, he begins to loose popular support.  Congress
> is pushing
> > legislation through, disenfranchising Republicans, who
> start complaining
> > in their medium, talk radio and certain news outlets.
> To thwart this,
> > the Fairness Doctrine is reinstated by the Cabal, and
> suddenly,
> > freedom of speech is gone.  Suddenly, groups like
> Homestead, where
> > freedom of thought and freedom of speech are
> encouraged, are shut down.
> >   People demonstate and there are clashes between
> demonstrators.  Joe the
> > Assassin takes a shot at Obama or Pelosi or Biden, and
> > suddenly, there is Marshall Law and weapons are
> confiscated.  Chaos
> > ensues.  The few remaining Republicans call for calm
> and impeachment,
> > but the Senate won't do it, and Elections for 2012
> are canceled.  Then,
> > Obama becomes a dictator, maybe even a benevolent
> dictator, but the
> > point is that the process, the magic of this country,
> is gone.
> > 
> > That is some scenario, huh?
> > Yes, it is fiction, but it would not be difficult for
> a few people to
> > manipulate the country like that.  I picked on Obama
> because, as you all
> > know, I am not under the Obama spell, but the coup
> could just as easily
> > have been made by the Righteous Right Republicans or
> some group that
> > doesn't even exist right now.
> > 
> > I just think we need a few more checks and balances in
> the way we elect
> > our President, who is typically considered the Leader
> of the Free World.
> > The current process seems to be too easily
> manipulated, and it would be
> > child's play for the Powers That Be, who may have
> already tested the
> > waters in past two elections in preparation for this
> one or the next one....
> > I don't see any reason to wait until after the
> election to write.  For
> > all I know, some group somewhere has already got the
> wheels in motion,
> > or maybe McCain wins then dies, and President Palin is
> the one who
> > becomes a dictator, after all, she *is* the one guilty
> of abuse of power...
> > So, I dunno.  We have a lot of holes to plug or this
> ship's going
> > down. The only stopgap I see to a scenario like this
> is the military
> > staging it's own coup on the Leadership.
> > 
> > Bev
> > 
> > 
> > 
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