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[Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com>]

My perspective on income taxes has always been that if my income tax  
load was high that meant my income was high and I was happy about  
that. We are in control of our tax load; as homesteaders we all have  
the opportunity to live on modest income that incurs little or no  
income tax burden. If most people acted thusly the income tax would be  
abolished.

But, truth be told, we Americans have a very low income tax bite:

"For a family with one wage-earner and two children, only Iceland and  
Ireland have a lower income tax burden than the U.S., according to the  
most recent data for 2005.

"At the top, Sweden, Turkey, France and Poland impose the biggest tax  
burdens on families, but in most of those countries families get added  
social services, such as secure pensions and health care.

"Citizens in these other countries are paying more money, but they are  
getting more back, in terms of social programs, said Christopher  
Heady, head of tax policy for the Paris-based think tank Organization  
for Economic Cooperation and Development, or OECD. Its a choice the  
electorate makes."

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Taxes/P148855.asp
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Subject: Re: [Homestead] NAIS,
        APHIS Over 50% Preemises registerd in 13 states & Customss / APHIS
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Your new passport or visa must have an rfid chip.  'new law beginning the first of this month, 2008.  You need not replace until your present one expires. 

I have no problem with the men who are border guards.  I have a problem with the people in the gov't who employ them.  They  (Border guards) should guard the border, not 100 miles, inland.  They should stop people who like like Mexcans around the Mexican border, and stop people who look like me, around the Canadian border.  "profiling" is a good tool if done with common sense and a lack of inherent bigotry. 

This h*meland s*curity mess is getting completely out of control.  I like cops, as individuals , too.  But I don't want them hassling me , for no reason.  Bev's kid is a ssoldier, I like them , too.  But, I don't want them in 'this' country with guns (unless they are trying to keep something 'out', during a national defense emergency) - And I'm starting not to trust the gov't 's idea of emergencies. 

And, I d*mn sure don't want our border guards , cops, or soldiers becoming 
anything like the ones in Mexico ......bobford

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--- On Wed, 10/29/08, eureka AT hctc.net <eureka AT hctc.net> wrote:

> From: eureka AT hctc.net <eureka AT hctc.net>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] NAIS, APHIS Over 50% Preemises registerd in 13 states 
> & Customss / APHIS
> To: bobford79 AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 2:47 PM
> Yes, I think fire ants came in through Mobile or Biloxi. 
> We have Africanized bees too.
>
> The border patrol here just asks if you are a U.S. 
> citizen, you reply yes and you are on your way. Not being 
> Hispanic, I have no idea if they ask Latinos to present ID 
> to determine if they are citizens or not. Maybe it's
> more 
> of an invasion for these folks, I don't know. The last 
> time I went through the drug dog was very interested in my 
> car, sniffing the tire that some local dog always pees on. 
> The agent asked me if I lived on a farm, and I said yes, 
> and he let me through.
>
> I have never felt the fact they wear a gun (knowing that 
> they are frequently shot and sometimes killed here) was to 
> my detriment or harrassment. If I knew the chances of 
> getting killed in my job were high I'd probably want a
> gun 
> on me too. When I've traveled to Mexico I must carry
> and 
> show a visa or passport. I have been detained much longer 
> there.
>
> The agent in the video was rattled because someone refused 
> to give that yes or no. While the guy was making a point, 
> in her head she may have been preparing to get shot and 
> have to defend herself.
>
> My botanical friend is only armed with a microscope and 
> he's at a port of entry, not a checkpoint.
>
> --Sage
>
>
>
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:44:49 -0700 (PDT)
>   bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Could we really have stopped those (fire ants), with 
> >everything we do, Sage.  I heard on the news, recently,
>
> >that 1/3 of 1 % of all shipping containers are
> presented 
> >for any kind of search.  I thionk fire ants came in
> port 
> >on a boat.
> > 
> >  Africanized bees came to (arizona anyway) from South 
> >America.  some of lyndas's ancestors might say that
> my 
> >ancestors were a pestilence that arrived by boat . But 
> >they could not stop it anyway.
> > 
> > I don't mind your friend stopping me at the border
> of 
> >texas and asking me if I have fruits are vegetables (or
>
> >fire ants).  I 'do' mind if that same friend is
> wearing a 
> >gun, asking my id ,and recording my info. 
> > 
> > I like local, non-centralized.  I trust texas, over 
> >D.C., and tex. is far from perfect.  By the way,
> didn't 
> >fire ants come in at biloxi or asomewhere? .....bobf
> > 
> > 
> >
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> > 
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 10/29/08, eureka AT hctc.net
> <eureka AT hctc.net> 
> >wrote:
> > 
> >> From: eureka AT hctc.net <eureka AT hctc.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Homestead] NAIS, APHIS Over 50%
> Preemises 
> >>registerd in 13 states & Customss / APHIS
> >> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 1:36 PM
> >> God knows I wish someone had turned away that
> shipment 
> >>of 
> >> fire ants. :-/
> >> 
> >> I've been involved in a bit of my own homeland
> security
> >> 
> >> this morning, namely cleaning the stove and its 
> >> netherlands.
> >> 
> >> --S
> >> 
> >> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:52:50 -0400
> >>   EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Top of the 'noon to ya, Sage.
> >> > I'm sure there are 'legitimate'
> 'for
> >> your safety' 
> >> >reasons. We have to 
> >> > make sure no fungal infections come into the
> country, 
> >> >and god forbid 
> >> > that non-GMO corn/wheat/rice come in. :P
> >> > 
> >> > B
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