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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

Nasty things occur when men are reduced to their baser instincts.  This is 
not a phenimenom of our times.  It is a clue to our origins.  No candidate 
will stop cruelty.  
I know that Senator McCain is a hard man, even an unpleasant SOB.  I think, 
though, that he is probably no more an advocate of torture or a warmonger 
than Senator Obama.  
AIPAC wanted the war.  Now ,  they wanted Iran invaded first.  For whatever 
reasons, President Bush was convinced to first invade Iraq.  Unless Iran 
changes its attitude toward Israel, war with Iran is inevitable.  The matter 
of which of the two candidates is elected is inconsequential on that point.
I argued this point with Tvo several years ago (Tvo ate me alive, of course). 
 I'm not a fan of Senator McCain for a number of reasons, but the man has 
shown courage and integrity in his life.

p.s. Senator Obama announced this morning that he would not accept federal 
campaign matching funds.  On this point, that makes him a liar.
....bebopping along.....bobford



--- On Thu, 6/19/08, paxamicus AT earthlink.net <paxamicus AT earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: paxamicus AT earthlink.net <paxamicus AT earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] It's not just politics. It's people.
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Thursday, June 19, 2008, 9:23 AM
> Mr McCain said he would be happy to support this war for
> another 100  
> years. You can draw your own conclusions.
> 
> Physicians for Human Rights is not a media outlet, they are
> a Nobel  
> Peace Prize-winning organization dedicated to human rights.
> They  
> published this piece based on interviews and physical
> examination of  
> 11 people tortured at Gitmo, who were released after years
> of being  
> tortured without ever being charged.
> 
> Here is the direct link again.     
> http://www.physiciansforhumanrights.org/ 
>              I included the WaPo piece because it was
> easier reading,  
> but if you prefer to read it directly, it is the link at
> the top of  
> the page.
> 
> The United States of America is torturing people, and
> everyday we let  
> it happen we become more and more depraved as a
> civilization.  If  
> that's the result of lockstepping, I'll keep being
> the odd man out,  
> thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 19, 2008, at 11:02 AM, DSanner106 AT aol.com wrote:
> 
> > Can you show me where John McCain said he WANTED 100
> more years of   
> > TORTURE??
> > or are you
> > purposefully misquoting him to try and make a point?? 
> We are all   
> > adults
> > here and know that this quote is
> > being taken out of context as it has been by certain
> media outlets  
> > from the
> > beginning. I for one do not take what I see on the
> news as gospel, I  
> > watched
> > the  interview myself and know that he was talking
> about the same  
> > sort of
> > presence we  still have in Japan and Germany, not a
> 100 year war,  
> > and certainly was
> > not  saying that he wanted 100 more years of even
> that. I am certain  
> > he was
> > also not  saying he WANTED 100 years of Torture. We
> need to question  
> > what we
> > hear when the  media are talking and their motivation
> in reporting  
> > what they do.
> > The very idea  of following lockstep as the mindless
> minions of the  
> > popular
> > media goes against  the very ideals of independence we
> homesteaders
> > traditionally possess.
> >
> > Drew
> >
> 
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