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-----Original Message-----
From: franksfarm AT aol.com
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 10:20 am
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Obama  Need for Change Happy Easter






Happy Easter to all:)

I must confess that I mostly lurk, but am always glad to see familiar 
names, and
posters.

I've always enjoyed the spirit, and spunk of this group. And I do miss 
TIVO so.
I always remeber him in my prayers.

I see as always when it comes to politics there's always a great deal 
of
discussion, and fireworks too, since many of our group are indeed 
outspoken.

Normally, I'm firmly in the Republican camp, but over the years I've 
seen so
many freedoms being chipped away, and more power being given to 
Corporations and
Institutions many of which do NOT have our best interest at heart, and 
are
content to see members of the rank and file lose their pensions, lose 
their
health benefits, lose their home due primarily to Corporate greed, and 
the
unceasing quest for greater PROFIT!!!

Lord, just look at few rights one has in Civil Court - far better to be 
a
criminal, and be in criminal Court since a criminal has more? rights! 
GRR!

In the 1980's our generous government did away with usury laws that 
actually
protected our citizen's from rapacious lenders! Now credit card 
companies are
allowed to charge interest rates that are higher than some loan sharks! 
And who
bears the brunt of such the folks who can least affordi it - the poor 
and the
middle classes!

And don't get me started on executive pay! There needs to be laws 
protecting
shareholders, and the public who eventually MUST pay for these often 
outrageous
pay packages that is doled out to top executives - even when their 
companies are
losing billions of dollars. And to make matters worse these same 
executives
often then engage in lay offs and budget cutbacks that - you guessed it 
-affect
those who can least afford to lose their jobs, and benefits!

And poor President Bush - it seems like a decent guy, but I sure do 
question his
"smarts". Only now is he admitting that we "may" be in for a recession! 
duh And
only recently has he admitted that indeed there is a problem called 
Global
Warming! And how about his waffling on better Health Care! And his 
record on
subjects that enrich the oil companies, and other wired Corporations!

And his stubborn refusal to acknowledge the Iraq fiasco. Apparently , 
billions!
of dollars are unaccounted for, and oversight was so lax that today we 
just
don't really know whether the hundreds of billions spent on rebuilding 
IRAQ has
actually achieved ( don't bet on it) those goals.

I truly believe that this country would have been better served by Mr. 
Gore!

Regarding? Obama.... His message of change is one that falls on fertile 
ground!
This country needs dramatic changes in government , in law, in health 
care, in
tax reform etc.etc. It's time for a relatively fresh voice to gather 
the
people's support, and effect those changes that are desired by most 
Americans.

Since Obama is relatively new I see that as a positive. The fact that 
he has
risen far above his circumstances, and birth I see that as a real 
positive. Too
many members of our government come from the ranks of the wealthy or 
have no
real stake in the very laws etc. that they pass.

And most unfortunately much of the American public is so apathetic that 
they
often re elect these same lawmakers year after year despite their 
voting records
on issues the American public it general clamors for.

All too often the media is allowed to "spin" their versions of a story 
much to
the detriment of their readership. Today far fewer people "believe" the 
media,
the news than just a few decades ago. Journalist??? seek to get that 
major scoop
that might enrich them even at the expense of truth and decency!

I'm sure many of us feel that "this country is going downhill". Some 
have said
it has been so for decades.

I believe that our forefathers would have regarded today's governance 
as far
worse than at the time of their rebellion against the British Crown!

Obama is smart, well spoken, and has risen to the top quite quickly. 
The fact
that he has won so many state primaries in different sections of the 
country is
proof that large numbers of people want change, and are influenced by 
his
message of change, and hope.

At least that's a message , that's a hope that I too can espouse. Good 
luck to
you Mr. Obama!

Frank in KY

PS Remember that this is an email and is written spur of the moment, 
and does
not contain all the caveats, and proofs required:)







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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Homestead Hunting and Lamb Report (EarthNSky)
  2. Re: More on Barak Obama (DSanner106 AT aol.com)
  3. Re: More on Barak Obama (Lynda)
  4. Re: More on Barak Obama (Lynda)
  5. Re: More on Barak Obama (Lynda)
  6. Re: More on Barak Obama (Clansgian AT wmconnect.com)
  7. Re: More on Barak Obama (paxamicus AT earthlink.net)
  8. Re: More on Barak Obama (Gene GeRue)
  9. Re: More on Barak Obama (DSanner106 AT aol.com)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:13:39 -0400
From: EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Homestead Hunting and Lamb Report
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paxamicus AT earthlink.net wrote:
> Now, since I have badgered you for pictures, I will up the ante by
> spreading some of my own. I've been dinking around with this little
> website but it's slow going teaching. Anyway, there are some pics
> there of my kids and sheep and dogs and stuff. I haven't done 
anything
> about the horses yet, I've been working on them.  You can go look, 
and
> if you WANT, I can hang your pics up there too.
>
> http:/www.hopefieldfarm.com

My daughter and granddaughter are coming to visit tomorrow.  I'll try 
to
get some pics, but please don't post them if I send them...lol..

Bev
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BevanRon of EarthNSky Farm   NW Georgia USDA Zone 7
34.498N 85.076W    Bev is Earth, Ron is Sky


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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:45:51 EDT
From: DSanner106 AT aol.com
Subject: Re: [Homestead] More on Barak Obama
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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I have to lean toward Lynda and Bev on this one too. Obama is still
a politician and has the slick rhetoric to prove it. There is no way
a 20 year member of Rev Wright's church, particularly one who
identifies the Rev as his mentor could not  know anything at all  about
these ranting's. This is the church he has chosen to raise his  children
in and a caring father doesn't put his children in the influence of a
pastor he doesn't agree with.

Drew


In a message dated 3/20/2008 10:56:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
erthnsky AT bellsouth.net writes:

I see  Lynda taking a slight bashing on this, so I'm standing up next to
her this  one time. ;)


Lynda wrote:
> Yep, I sure did.  Just  wanted to see if the man would finally tell
> the truth.  Not  surprisingly, I was disappointed.  He continued to
> dance, weave  and outright lie.

I concur.  The man is so smooth, he's  scary.


> First he says he never heard Wright say anything  inflamatory, then he
> says well he might have.  If it is no or  might have, then why did he
> quote Wright in his book from the speech  that included accusations
> that the U.S. government had a secret  program to infect black men
> with AIDS, "Damn America" and all the  problems in the world were due
> to "the white man's greed."

I  thought his initial choice of words on the matter was interesting.   
He
said "I must confess that I have never heard...from Wright".   My
thinking was along the lines of 'if you never heard anything  untoward,
then why do you feel so guilty that you need to confess?
It's  like he wants it both ways...he says he is a close spiritual
adviser, yet  he had no idea of Wright's sermons even though he has been
a faithful  member of that church for 20+ years???? C'mon...those kind 
of
excuses don't  cut the mustard with anyone else, why does Obama get
special  treatment?

> Interesting that Oprah Winfrey left the church because  of the retoric
> from Wright but not Obama.

I heard  that, too, but forgot where...do you have a source for this?

I think  Barak has a lot of people in this country hypnotized to the
point that they  have lost their senses and I, for one, simply don't get
it...how can people  see through Bush, through Hillary, through McCain,
through Edwards, Nader,  Biden, et. al, but not Obama????  I find it
simply STRANGE.  But  then again, this is THE populace that almost
elected the inventor of the  internet and a Nobel Prize winner to the
office of President.  To me,  it's all truly laughable.  Thank God for
hanging  chads...lol...

Bev, off to don my Nomex.
--
BevanRon of  EarthNSky Farm   NW Georgia USDA Zone 7
34.498N     85.076W       Bev is Earth, Ron is Sky
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:31:20 -0800
From: "Lynda" <lurine AT softcom.net>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] More on Barak Obama
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----- Original Message -----
From: "EarthNSky" <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>

why does Obama get
> special treatment?
***To be blunt, because he's black.  If anyone questions anything he 
says
then his campaign screams race.

> > Interesting that Oprah Winfrey left the church because of the retoric
> > from Wright but not Obama.
>
> I heard that, too, but forgot where...do you have a source for this?
***Chicago Magazine is one interview where she said she "left organized
religion" . . . "I have a church within myself; I have church walking 
down
the street."

I also read it a couple of other places.  One other interview, and I 
can't
find the rest of it right now, she says, and I paraphrase, that the 
extent
of her attending church is when she lectures at churches, free of 
charge,
about abuse and education.

The only person saying she was/is a member of Wright's particular 
church is
Wright.

Lynda



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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:34:08 -0800
From: "Lynda" <lurine AT softcom.net>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] More on Barak Obama
To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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Anyone else read his first book?  He devotes quite a bit of time 
talking
about his idol when he was in his teens.  Malcolm X.  I, for one, 
certainly
don't see too much difference between Malcolm X, Wright and Farrakahn.  
So,
I would think that anyone who actually researches Obama shouldn't be 
the
least bit surprised that he gravitated to someone like Wright who is 
thick
as thieves with Farrakahn!

Lynda
----- Original Message -----
From: <DSanner106 AT aol.com>


> I have to lean toward Lynda and Bev on this one too. Obama is still
> a politician and has the slick rhetoric to prove it. There is no way
> a 20 year member of Rev Wright's church, particularly one who
> identifies the Rev as his mentor could not  know anything at all  
about
> these ranting's. This is the church he has chosen to raise his  
children
> in and a caring father doesn't put his children in the influence of a
> pastor he doesn't agree with.



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:31:46 -0800
From: "Lynda" <lurine AT softcom.net>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] More on Barak Obama
To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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O.K., here's my take on the latest fad in America.  I think it is no
different, *thinking* wise than the "he's someone people would like to 
have
a beer with."

I challenge everyone who thinks Mr. Pretty Speech is the answer to 
America's
problems to do their homework!  If a challenge doesn't get ya moving, 
then I
double dog dare you <g>

Here's some things to check:

Louis Farrakhan
Malcolm X
Damn America
I've never been proud to be an American
Irregularities in pork
Voting practices and votes avoided
"There's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's
position at this stage."
""What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political
advice"
Race baiting, what it is and how it has been used
Other than the current campaign, did he ever visit Katrina

Will I vote?  I might but it won't be Dem or Republican!  Don't like
Hillary, recognize Obama for the snake oil saleman he is and think 
McNasty
has a bad case of chemo brain and/or early senility!

Lynda, who thinks most folks are fiddling while Rome burns.

----- Original Message -----
From: <paxamicus AT earthlink.net>
> Lynda, I guess my next question to you would be, will you vote in this
> election? Or withhold it because no one meets your standards? I have
> mixed emotions about this because I live in Virginia, and therefore my
> vote is almost always a throw away vote in this majority red state.
> It's hardly worth the effort. But then I feel like if I just don't
> keep take part in the process, I can't help nudge it the way that I
> hope it will go, so I keep doing it.



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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:05:31 EDT
From: Clansgian AT wmconnect.com
Subject: Re: [Homestead] More on Barak Obama
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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> I challenge everyone who thinks Mr. Pretty Speech is the answer to 
America's
> problems to do their homework!

And when you do the homework, you find a lot of his own writings 
(before and
beyond his Audacity of Hope book [which he named after one of Wright's
speeches]) and you look at the writings and teachings he admires, you 
find a lot

of
'kill the white man' rhetoric.

But beyond that, there isn't much.  After being hypnotized by the 'he' 
not
Bush' mantra, people had a void of his real teachings.  When the Wright 
thing
surfaced, it rushed in to fill the void.  Wright's teachings then 
BECOME his
teachings for want of any other.   </HTML>


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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:01:05 -0400
From: paxamicus AT earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [Homestead] More on Barak Obama
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
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> But beyond that, there isn't much.  After being hypnotized by the
> 'he' not
> Bush' mantra, people had a void of his real teachings.  When the
> Wright thing
> surfaced, it rushed in to fill the void.  Wright's teachings then
> BECOME his
> teachings for want of any other.   </HTML>

Wow, James. Your last sentence feels pretty extreme to me. I used to
be Roman Catholic but I am not responsible for what the Pope says, you
know?

Cheers


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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 06:21:51 -0700
From: Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] More on Barak Obama
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On Mar 21, 2008, at 5:05 AM, Clansgian AT wmconnect.com wrote:
> > I challenge everyone who thinks Mr. Pretty Speech is the answer to
> > America's
> > problems to do their homework!
>
> And when you do the homework, you find a lot of his own writings
> (before and
> beyond his Audacity of Hope book [which he named after one of Wright's
> speeches]) and you look at the writings and teachings he admires,
> you find a lot of
> 'kill the white man' rhetoric.

I'm about halfway through The Audacity of Hope. I have not found any
"kill the white man" talk at all. Tell us whose writings and teachings
you admire and I bet we can find some bad stuff they have done.
> But beyond that, there isn't much.  After being hypnotized by the
> 'he' not
> Bush' mantra, people had a void of his real teachings.

I do not hypnotize easily. I am looking at him hard. So far I like him.

By the way, I did not see or hear the speech. I did read the full
text. I am very impressed. It said things that needed to be said and
that perhaps could only have been said by a black person. I think it
will be quoted for a long time.

>  When the Wright thing
> surfaced, it rushed in to fill the void.  Wright's teachings then
> BECOME his
> teachings for want of any other.

That is what his opponents want us to believe and focus on.

That attack may backfire. With only a modicum of information so far,
it appears to me that Wright has done many good things over many
years. His congregation includes a cross-section of Chicago, from poor
to rich, from ignorant to highly educated, from guppies to the
sophisticated.

Seems to me there is a lot of knee-jerking going on. A lot of people
are using the Wright imbroglio just as it was designed by campaign
experts and used by bloggers and reporters. We must stop allowing
ourselves to be manipulated by those whose paycheck requires that they
fill space with information, the more sensational the information the
bigger the paycheck.

I'm worried for my country. Seems to me we will stay divided and weak
until we learn enough patience, tolerance, and respect to make
decisions based on maximal knowledge. With the Internet now providing
almost instant information on almost every subject we are easily
convinced that we are sophisticated about economics and politics. That
is a personal failing multiplied large.

A final thought, folks. I, Gene GeRue, a long-time member of this
list, have posted some pretty hateful stuff about the current occupant
of the Oval Office. You have all read it. You continue to associate
with me. How would you like to be judged as hateful for continuing to
associate with me?




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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:25:58 EDT
From: DSanner106 AT aol.com
Subject: Re: [Homestead] More on Barak Obama
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If you sat in the Pope's audience on a weekly basis off and on for 20  
years,
and identified him as your personal mentor , naming YOUR  autobiography 
after
something the Pope said, then we would link you to him,  appropriately. 
I
don't see how this questioning of Obama is as bad  as a Mormon 
candidate being
asked to answer to things said and done by  Mormons nearly 200 years 
ago.

Drew


In a message dated 3/21/2008 9:02:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
paxamicus AT earthlink.net writes:

Wright's  teachings then
> BECOME his
> teachings for want of any  other.

Wow, James. Your last sentence feels pretty extreme  to me. I used to
be Roman Catholic but I am not responsible for what  the Pope says, you 

know?

Cheers





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