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- From: "John Keslick" <treeman214@comcast.net>
- To: "gardenwriters-on-gardening" <gwl-g@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [gwl-g] soil pH
- Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 06:38:25 -0400
Nutrients? www.treedictionary.com
Essential Elements -
Note there is 1-4 sections below.
1 - With respect, the USFS uses the word fertilize which is a word that represents 17 elements which trees and connections such as fungi, require from the soil, yet only apply 1 of the 17? While extracting a major source of many of these, the store house for nutrients and essential elements, i.e., the CWD or LWD (lARGE WOODY DEBRIS). The Law of the Minimum needs to be considered. There are 17 chemical elements essential for healthy growth of trees: The first 3 come from water and air. They are often written in short from as CHO. The other - 14 - come from the soil. CHO makes up he carbohydrates that carry and supply energy. The energy comes from the sun. Elements are not tree food. Bags of fertilizer is not plant food. When we fertilize we are not providing food. We are adding elements that are essential for life. That is all we are doing. (See NEW TREE BIOLOGY DICTIONARY, SHIGO, 1986 pg 45) Essential Elements - 2 - "The biggies are N+P+K; Nitrogen + Phosphorus + Potassium; Calcium; Sulfur; Magnesium; They are required for life in higher amounts. Then we go to the group called micro-elements--please do not call them miner, they are not miner. They are required in very very low amounts. Copper, Chlorine, Boron, Nickel, Molybdenum, Zinc, Iron, Manganese. You should know just a little about what each does. Just to be on the safe side. There is a few plants that we think may be able to use some others. They are rare in the Southern USA - Selenium, Silicon and Cobalt. Some of the above are required by the fungi and not so much by the tree. Essential Elements-3 - Minute amounts of microelements can cause big changes in the ways fungi grow. When trees are fertilized heavily the fungi may not interact with the non-woody roots to form mycorrhizae. Before elements can be absorbed by roots, they must be in the form of ions that are soluble in water. This is good news and bad news because soluble ions can also be leached from the soil. (See A TOUCH OF CHEMISTRY, SHIGO, 1996) (Also see TROUBLES IN THE RHIZOSPHERE, SHIGO,
1996)
Essential Elements-4 - Elements are too often mistakenly called nutrients. To make this clear, please allow me to share this with you. Essential elements. Look at your chart of Atomic Properties of elements. (Not the Atomic Properties of nutrients) Thats where you will find your elements. Look at mycorrhizae. Is it fungus or is it tree? YES, mycorrhizae is a composite structure made up of root and fungus tissues. But if you have the fungus and no tree, do you have mycorrhizae? NO, you do not have the composite structure made up of root and fungus tissues. You only have fungus. If you have a bag of fungi to place on the soil, to establish mycorrhizae, do you have mycorrhizae in the bag? NO Take a lichen, is it algae or fungus? YES (People do not like these kinds of answers) But if you have a bag of algae, do you have lichens. NO If you have a nutrient, is it an element or energy? YES If you have a bag of elements do you have a nutrient? NO Do you have a bag of food? NO You say oh, word games? With respect: Consider poor Joe who liked alcohol. Drank methanol rather than ethanol. He then quickly learned, as his brain got burned. That words, are important after all.
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