Kata Markon

[George Young <webber_young AT yahoo.com>]

Dear Mr. Patton:

A very interesting reply!  I think you're correct that
the cross would have been for the original disciples
"the abomination that causes desolation."  Yet, I also
think that, if the crucifixion forms, as it were, the
'epicentre' of the abomination in the teaching of
Jesus (and the Gospel of Mark), then there are textual
indicators that the phenomenon of seeing facets of the
abomination recur in time and space for those
influenced by the event.

Sincerely,

Webber Young.

--- George Patton <gpatton AT bayou.com> wrote:

> In Mark's gospel, I think the Abomination of
> Desolation is the cross 
> that Jesus was crucified upon. The disciples who
> were in Judea were to 
> flee to the mountains of Galilee (Mark 14:28 and
> 16:7)
> 
> George M. Patton
> 
> George Young wrote:
> 
> >Dear Kata Markan Group:
> >
> >I was recently reading through Mark chapter 13 and
> >came upon Jesus' well known (but difficult to
> >understand) teaching regarding the Abomination of
> >Desolation. For it is at this point in the chapter
> >that Jesus tells Peter, James, John and Andrew,
> "But
> >when you see the abomination that causes desolation
> >setup (perf. passive) where it ought not to be,
> then
> >flee...."  As we all know, this is a very well
> known
> >and yet difficult passage ot understand, yes?  And
> >many who specialize in prophecy tend to highlight
> this
> >verse as a sort of landmark to organize, not only
> the
> >chapter, but also various projections of future
> >events.  
> >(E.g, I have heard it said that the abomination
> that
> >causes desolation was when a Roman sacrificed a pig
> >upon the altar in Jerusalem sometime before 70 AD.
> >[Forgive my lack of precision at this point.] And
> that
> >this is what caused the uproar leading to its
> >destruction.  Moreover, Mark could not have known
> this
> >unless he wrote about it after the fact.)
> >Anyway, the question that I would like to pose to
> the
> >list is somewhat complex, so please bear with me as
> I
> >first explain the assumptions to my question.
> >
> >First Assumption: Certainly no one in their right
> mind
> >would suppose that Jesus was a scholar, and I
> >certainly do not maintain this assumption.  On the
> >contrary, my assumption is that Jesus was a
> mystical
> >person and his disciples would have believed this
> >about Him and thus so would have the author of Mark
> IN
> >THIS CHAPTER.
> >
> >Second Assumption:  If the above be true, then
> Jesus
> >saw the world and everything in it differently than
> we
> >do.  For lack of a better term, he saw the world
> and
> >humanity through spiritual eyes.  
> >
> >Third Assumption: Mark chapter 13 uses apocalyptic
> >type language, and Mark 13:14 has a verbal allusion
> to
> >Daniel 9:27 - true - but also to the destruction of
> >Sodom and the Flight of Lot and his two daughters
> from
> >that doomed city (among other things).
> >
> >Finally, my fourth assumption is that these words
> were
> >spoken to Peter, James, John, and Andrew (this is a
> >critical assumption to my question). 
> >
> >Question:  Could it be that the Abomination that
> >Causes Desolation is a spiritual phenomenon that
> >happens to every true believer in Jesus Christ?  I
> >raise that question because there are several
> >conditional clauses that seem to suggest that it is
> >NOT a singular event per se, but a re-ocurring
> >phenomenon that happens in different places to
> >different people at different times (e.g., vv.15,
> 16,
> >17, 18-23).  Moreover, I wonder if vv. 24-27 are
> not
> >describing the end of the world per se, but rather
> >what the world looks like to one who is converted
> to
> >Jesus as God's Christ?  
> >
> >Anyway, any comments by those on the list would be
> >welcomed.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >Webber Young.
> >
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