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[George Patton <gpatton AT bayou.com>]

Dear Mr. Young:

I agree.  In Mark's gospel, something may apply to more than one event.  For example before chapter 13, Jesus says that after three days he will rise, but after chapter 13 (and the 20th verse about the shortening of the days) Jesus is said to rise early on the third day.  This shortening of the days could also apply to some other persecutions of the church.

George Young wrote:

Dear Mr. Patton:

A very interesting reply!  I think you're correct that
the cross would have been for the original disciples
"the abomination that causes desolation."  Yet, I also
think that, if the crucifixion forms, as it were, the
'epicentre' of the abomination in the teaching of
Jesus (and the Gospel of Mark), then there are textual
indicators that the phenomenon of seeing facets of the
abomination recur in time and space for those
influenced by the event.

Sincerely,

Webber Young.

--- George Patton <gpatton AT bayou.com> wrote:

  

In Mark's gospel, I think the Abomination of
Desolation is the cross 
that Jesus was crucified upon. The disciples who
were in Judea were to 
flee to the mountains of Galilee (Mark 14:28 and
16:7)

George M. Patton

George Young wrote:

    

Dear Kata Markan Group:

I was recently reading through Mark chapter 13 and
came upon Jesus' well known (but difficult to
understand) teaching regarding the Abomination of
Desolation. For it is at this point in the chapter
that Jesus tells Peter, James, John and Andrew,
      

"But
    

when you see the abomination that causes desolation
setup (perf. passive) where it ought not to be,
      

then
    

flee...."  As we all know, this is a very well
      

known
    

and yet difficult passage ot understand, yes?  And
many who specialize in prophecy tend to highlight
      

this
    

verse as a sort of landmark to organize, not only
      

the
    

chapter, but also various projections of future
events.  
(E.g, I have heard it said that the abomination
      

that
    

causes desolation was when a Roman sacrificed a pig
upon the altar in Jerusalem sometime before 70 AD.
[Forgive my lack of precision at this point.] And
      

that
    

this is what caused the uproar leading to its
destruction.  Moreover, Mark could not have known
      

this
    

unless he wrote about it after the fact.)
Anyway, the question that I would like to pose to
      

the
    

list is somewhat complex, so please bear with me as
      

I
    

first explain the assumptions to my question.

First Assumption: Certainly no one in their right
      

mind
    

would suppose that Jesus was a scholar, and I
certainly do not maintain this assumption.  On the
contrary, my assumption is that Jesus was a
      

mystical
    

person and his disciples would have believed this
about Him and thus so would have the author of Mark
      

IN
    

THIS CHAPTER.

Second Assumption:  If the above be true, then
      

Jesus
    

saw the world and everything in it differently than
      

we
    

do.  For lack of a better term, he saw the world
      

and
    

humanity through spiritual eyes.  

Third Assumption: Mark chapter 13 uses apocalyptic
type language, and Mark 13:14 has a verbal allusion
      

to
    

Daniel 9:27 - true - but also to the destruction of
Sodom and the Flight of Lot and his two daughters
      

from
    

that doomed city (among other things).

Finally, my fourth assumption is that these words
      

were
    

spoken to Peter, James, John, and Andrew (this is a
critical assumption to my question). 

Question:  Could it be that the Abomination that
Causes Desolation is a spiritual phenomenon that
happens to every true believer in Jesus Christ?  I
raise that question because there are several
conditional clauses that seem to suggest that it is
NOT a singular event per se, but a re-ocurring
phenomenon that happens in different places to
different people at different times (e.g., vv.15,
      

16,
    

17, 18-23).  Moreover, I wonder if vv. 24-27 are
      

not
    

describing the end of the world per se, but rather
what the world looks like to one who is converted
      

to
    

Jesus as God's Christ?  

Anyway, any comments by those on the list would be
welcomed.

Sincerely,

Webber Young.

 
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