RTP-area local music and culture

["Ben Spiker" <Ben.Spiker AT cheshirepark.com>]

I can't believe nobody has suggested making the go-go cage the smoking
area. I'm sure they did, and I just missed it. 

-----Original Message-----
From: ch-scene-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:ch-scene-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of James Hepler
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:21 AM
To: RTP-area local music and culture
Subject: Re: Local 506 vs. Smoking

One of the things that works for the Cradle's non
smoking policy is the ease of finding a place to smoke
and still being able to have your beer by your side.

I think that making the house non smoking and the bar
smoking is a great attempt to make things better for
everyone.  If you adopt that policy for a month or
two, then all we really need is to have Grady report
back and let us know how prohibitive the smoke
gauntlet is.  The poor guy has put up with smoke
filled halls enough to IMO be able to gauge whether or
not it actually improves anything.  If he says that it
doesn't improve things, then try a stricter no smoking
policy for a month or two to see how that affects your
smoking patrons.

The downside to a stricter no smoking policy is that
people would be using the same door to go out and
smoke that others would use for entering and leaving
the building which would create a constant snafu and
endless headaches for the door person.  Furthermore,
on a rainy night, people would clog up the nine square
feet of space that is covered in front of the builing
as well as that same space in front of your neighbors.
 You'd have nearly as smoky a gauntlet as you would in
the bar area.

Tough situation.  But I don't see how you can go wrong
with trying different things and settling on what
works best.

--- Kevin Browning <specialvibe AT yahoo.com> wrote:

> I could be very wrong but I don't remember this
> being a historically big issue.  It seems that only
> over the past six or seven years have some clubs
> been adopting no smoking policies.  Places like the
> Cradle and the 506, in my eyes, have the basic rock
> club set-up:  stage, bar, concrete slab for a floor.
>  These places are supposed to smell like beer and
> stale cigarette smoke.  Are clubs going to begin
> using potpourri or scented candles in the future? 
> Now, I say this in a joking way but there is
> sincerity in my words.  
>    
>   Bottom line is that I appreciate the 506 trying to
> cater to both groups of people by limiting the
> smoking to one room only.  I mean, when I go to the
> Cradle I have no problem smoking out back.  I think
> that it makes me laugh more than it irks me.  Maybe
> we should make some clubs alcohol-free so that I
> don't have drunk assholes bumping into me all the
> time and spilling beer on my shoes.
>   -Kevin.
>    
>    
>    
>   
> 
> grady <grady AT ibiblio.org> wrote:
>   In the past month, I have attended [multiple]
> shows at the Cat's Cradle, 
> Bull City Headquarters, and the Cave. I haven't been
> to any shows at 
> Local 506. Saturday night I walked up to 506 from
> the Cave and sat 
> around outside talking to some friends in the
> between-bands downtime, 
> but then once Filthybird went on, I had to decide
> between seeing a band 
> I really liked in nasty smoky Local 506, or walking
> back to the Cave to 
> see Twilighter (a band I like, but not as much as
> Filthybird) in 
> smoke-free comfort, and I chose the Cave.
> 
> So I think anything you were to do to mitigate the
> smoke would be a very 
> good thing, although I'm not sure about this
> half-measure you're 
> proposing, which would necessitate running a
> smoke-gauntlet to 
> enter/leave the club, to use the bathroom, or to buy
> drinks. It's 
> possible to do all 3 of those at the Cave, plus
> watch the band, without 
> ever going into the smoking back room.
> 
> But I'd at least be willing to give it a try. Be
> aware, though, that in 
> the past your perception of the smokiness of the
> club has differed 
> sharply from mine, a fact that I've chalked up to
> your senses having 
> been dulled from all the secondhand smoke ;-)
> 
> What direction does the ventilation move in Local
> 506? I should know 
> this already, but I don't. If the outside-air fans
> at either end aren't 
> set up to pull air from the back alley and push it
> out onto Franklin, 
> you'll need to change that . . .
> 
> If you're going to do anything that involves
> changing the smoking 
> situation at 506, you'll have to do a couple of
> things if you intend for 
> the experiment to be semi-valid:
> 
> 1) publicize the change thoroughly to the large
> community of folks who 
> might be attending shows were it not for the smoke
> (and keep in mind 
> that they may not even be aware that's why they
> aren't attending shows . 
> . . it may be more like "I'm too tired to go to a
> show on a weeknight 
> because I feel like crap all the next day," not
> realizing that it was 
> the smoke that was primarily responsible for that
> feeling of assy-ness)
> 
> 2) wait long enough for the word to trickle out, and
> for the smokers to 
> adjust, before declaring the experiment a
> success/failure
> 
> Keep us posted!
> 
> Ross
> 
> local506 AT gmail.com wrote:
> > Although this discussion died down on here, it's
> still something I've
> > been battling on a regular basis at the club.
> Recently, by request of
> > the artist, we tried restricting smoking to the
> bar-area only, while
> > no smoking was allowed in the room where the
> artist performed. And it
> > worked really well - I got several comments about
> how (somehow!) the
> > smoke itself didn't infiltrate the smoke-less room
> (or likely, it did
> > so at ceiling-level, not head-level!) And this
> show was well-
> > attended, over 100 people.
> > 
> > Anyway, I'm seriously considering this as a
> permanent policy, but
> > looking for feedback before making this decision.
> > 
> > glenn / local 506
> > 
> > ps: Of course, all Summer I've been seriously
> considering adding wine,
> > updating our Reverbnation page, taking a vaction,
> among other things,
> > and they haven't happened yet (but Summer's not
> over!)
> > 
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