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  • From: James Hepler <jameshepler AT yahoo.com>
  • To: RTP-area local music and culture <ch-scene AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: Local 506 vs. Smoking
  • Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 06:34:17 -0700 (PDT)

Oh God, I can't wait for the Great AMCH Scented Candle
Flavor Debate of 2007.

I am voting right now for christmas cookies.

--- Jeremy Blair <jerblar AT gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, potpourri and scented candles please.
>
> On 8/22/07, grady <grady AT ibiblio.org> wrote:
> >
> > You're right, it's only over the past half-dozen
> years that local club
> > owners have finally woken up to the fact that 80%
> of the population are
> > nonsmokers. It's also true that over the past 10
> years the correlation
> > between secondhand smoke and numerous health
> issues has been proven so
> > definitively that many states have banned smoking
> in *all* public
> > places, including bars.
> >
> > Since the NC legislature hasn't been able to get a
> similar ban out of
> > committee yet (though the support for it grows
> every year), local
> > clubowners have made the economic decision to
> focus on the 80% of their
> > potential audience who don't smoke, rather than
> the 20% who do, in
> > addition to the 100% of their employees whose
> health is negatively
> > impacted by breathing all the secondhand smoke
> (including those of them
> > who are smokers . . . working a 6-hour shift in a
> smoky bar is like
> > adding a handful of unfiltered Luckies to your
> daily intake, and most
> > smokers I know are trying to cut down, not ramp
> up).
> >
> > I've been to shows all over, in a variety of
> venues, and I can tell you
> > that the only thing a rock club is "supposed" to
> have is a band onstage,
> > playing. Some of them have swank velvet curtains
> and weird art on the
> > walls. Some of them are more or less outdoors
> under a tin roof. Some of
> > them are restaurants during the day. Some of them
> don't even rise to the
> > level of "stage, bar, concrete slab for a floor" .
> . . they look more
> > like "abandoned warehouse." Some of them have
> tables and chairs, and
> > cocktail waitresses, like a jazz club. Some of
> them are in 100-year-old
> > union halls that don't look like they've changed
> since the 50s.
> >
> > My experience has been that the ambience of the
> club doesn't suffer for
> > lack of a thick cloud of cigarette smoke . . . and
> in fact, if a
> > clubowner realizes that the place isn't going to
> be instantly funked-up
> > by smoke, they sometimes do *more* decor-wise than
> they otherwise would.
> >
> > Would you miss the Cradle bathrooms too, if they
> got cleaned up?
> >
> > xo
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > Kevin Browning wrote:
> > > I could be very wrong but I don't remember this
> being a historically big
> > issue. It seems that only over the past six or
> seven years have some clubs
> > been adopting no smoking policies. Places like
> the Cradle and the 506, in
> > my eyes, have the basic rock club set-up: stage,
> bar, concrete slab for a
> > floor. These places are supposed to smell like
> beer and stale cigarette
> > smoke. Are clubs going to begin using potpourri
> or scented candles in the
> > future? Now, I say this in a joking way but there
> is sincerity in my words.
> > >
> > > Bottom line is that I appreciate the 506
> trying to cater to both
> > groups of people by limiting the smoking to one
> room only. I mean, when I
> > go to the Cradle I have no problem smoking out
> back. I think that it makes
> > me laugh more than it irks me. Maybe we should
> make some clubs alcohol-free
> > so that I don't have drunk assholes bumping into
> me all the time and
> > spilling beer on my shoes.
> > > -Kevin.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > grady <grady AT ibiblio.org> wrote:
> > > In the past month, I have attended [multiple]
> shows at the Cat's
> > Cradle,
> > > Bull City Headquarters, and the Cave. I haven't
> been to any shows at
> > > Local 506. Saturday night I walked up to 506
> from the Cave and sat
> > > around outside talking to some friends in the
> between-bands downtime,
> > > but then once Filthybird went on, I had to
> decide between seeing a band
> > > I really liked in nasty smoky Local 506, or
> walking back to the Cave to
> > > see Twilighter (a band I like, but not as much
> as Filthybird) in
> > > smoke-free comfort, and I chose the Cave.
> > >
> > > So I think anything you were to do to mitigate
> the smoke would be a very
> > > good thing, although I'm not sure about this
> half-measure you're
> > > proposing, which would necessitate running a
> smoke-gauntlet to
> > > enter/leave the club, to use the bathroom, or to
> buy drinks. It's
> > > possible to do all 3 of those at the Cave, plus
> watch the band, without
> > > ever going into the smoking back room.
> > >
> > > But I'd at least be willing to give it a try. Be
> aware, though, that in
> > > the past your perception of the smokiness of the
> club has differed
> > > sharply from mine, a fact that I've chalked up
> to your senses having
> > > been dulled from all the secondhand smoke ;-)
> > >
> > > What direction does the ventilation move in
> Local 506? I should know
> > > this already, but I don't. If the outside-air
> fans at either end aren't
> > > set up to pull air from the back alley and push
> it out onto Franklin,
> > > you'll need to change that . . .
> > >
> > > If you're going to do anything that involves
> changing the smoking
> > > situation at 506, you'll have to do a couple of
> things if you intend for
> > > the experiment to be semi-valid:
> > >
> > > 1) publicize the change thoroughly to the large
> community of folks who
> > > might be attending shows were it not for the
> smoke (and keep in mind
> > > that they may not even be aware that's why they
> aren't attending shows .
> > > . . it may be more like "I'm too tired to go to
> a show on a weeknight
> > > because I feel like crap all the next day," not
> realizing that it was
> > > the smoke that was primarily responsible for
> that feeling of assy-ness)
> > >
> > > 2) wait long enough for the word to trickle out,
> and for the smokers to
> > > adjust, before declaring the experiment a
> success/failure
> > >
> > > Keep us posted!
> > >
> > > Ross
> > >
> > > local506 AT gmail.com wrote:
> > >> Although this discussion died down on here,
> it's still something I've
> > >> been battling on a regular basis at the club.
> Recently, by request of
> > >> the artist, we tried restricting smoking to the
> bar-area only, while
> > >> no smoking was allowed in the room where the
> artist performed. And it
> > >> worked really well - I got several comments
> about how (somehow!) the
> > >> smoke itself didn't infiltrate the smoke-less
> room (or likely, it did
> > >> so at ceiling-level, not head-level!) And this
> show was well-
> > >> attended, over 100 people.
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, I'm seriously considering this as a
> permanent policy, but
> > >> looking for feedback before making this
> decision.
> > >>
> > >> glenn / local 506
> > >>
>
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