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  • From: Evan Rowe <evanrowe AT fastmail.fm>
  • To: RTP-area local music and culture <ch-scene AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: On Durham and identity
  • Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:32:18 -0400

I don't have a lot to add to this that hasn't been said. That said:

1. Economics:
a: My wife and I were able to buy a house in Durham. That house is three blocks from my work, three blocks from a grocery store and local video rental store, and has five or six bars within a five-minute bike ride. Having these things taken care of and so accessible allows you to feel more part of a community, I think. That carries over to community among bands. Now if we could just decide on a bar to replace J&J's as the default watering hole...
b: When my parents wanted to send flowers to my wife I was able to identify a friend who runs a flower shop, and give my friend some money. When kids at my school ask about music, I can send them to see my friend at Chaz's. People can actually afford to open businesses in Durham. That's nice.

2. Not Economics: I like the way Durham feels. I like that you can get places in Durham fairly quickly, and that different parts of it feel distinct. Neighborhoods have identities. [This is not an invitation to start printing "Burch Ave" neighborhoodies.] My experience with Chapel Hill and Carrboro was that they felt more homogeneous, but that's likely a function of their size.

3. Bigger bands: I think to have touring bands stop in Durham rather than Chapel Hill or Raleigh, you might need a more traditional club, with drinks and all, so they can make guarantees. Passing the hat can sustain you for a while, but it might have to be one of those hippie Cat-In-The-Hat type hats. They're big. Gas is expensive.

4. Identity as a Durham Band: Two of us live and work in Durham, one lives and works in Raleigh. We practice in Durham. Most of our closer friends in rock live in Durham. But we're relatively new here.

5. Deadwood: Our band already has a song called Heng Dai. Now get that unauthorized cinnamon off the goddamn meeting table.

=E

grady wrote:
Umm, I think so many groups are self-identifying as Durham bands because their members live in Durham. Root cause: for some folks, it's the most affordable place to live, and for a lot of folks, it's the most desireable place to live. I stopped counting a long time ago the number of my friends who'd moved to Durham from the other points in the Triangle.

So if you're trendspotting, the trend started at least a half-dozen years ago, and it's called "musicians like cheap housing."

As for the question about t-shirts, well, I guess you just haven't seen the Carrboro t-shirts, or the OCSC t-shirts. Given the longstanding basketball/rock connection in Chapel Hill, I'd say any UNC basketball-related t-shirt would probably count for Chapel Hill.

Are you asking "why does Durham have such uncanny self-esteem-boosting T-shirts?" Because the answer to that is pretty much "James & Michelle Lee," and if you start asking "why James & Michelle Lee," I'm not sure that there's an answer for that. Other than, getting back to point A, musicians like cheap housing. Where else could they afford to operate such a sprawling enterprise as 305 South?

There are other folks whose outsized level of involvement/boosterism sort of singlehandedly makes Durham seem more "together" or "organized" or "scene-like" [than it actually is]: Melissa Thomas at 307 Knox, and certainly Chaz. Shannon Morrow moved back to Durham from Chicago (though before she moved to Chicago, she was living in Carrboro, so there ya go) & started the Scene of the Crime Rovers.

What do all *these* people have in common? Maybe that they like the idea of being able to get something done more or less singlehandedly, or with a small group of co-conspirators. Durham seems like a tabula rasa, culture-wise, at least to youngish white-ish indie-rockers. Check out that article in the Indy from a couple of weeks ago about the NCCU jazz program & you'll see that Durham isn't really such a clean slate, but when it comes to youth culture, all it takes is a fallow period of a couple of years to wipe everything pretty clean.

Maybe another thing they have in common is the good old fashioned punkrock ideal that community is a good thing, and that building community is an end unto itself. Obviously there are some folks who have slightly different ideas (i.e. the Troika folks who like to salt the festival lineup with a few out-of-towners), but even they do what they do by and large for the sake of the community, rather than out of some quest for larger fame/fortune.

But then I think you'd have to go all the way to Charlotte to really find anybody who was desperately seeking fame via indie-rock. Oh, well, I guess there are those guys from Raleigh who bought a tour bus to live in while they wait for their ship to come in, Airiel Down, but they're an aberration even for Raleigh.

The thing about people who like the idea of a close-knit community, is that they tend to seek out other people who also like that idea. Couple that with real estate that's cheap enough for peeps to be able to afford to open something like BCHQ . . .

I hope you don't have some thesis in mind regarding sharp distinctions between the various towns, or anything like adversarial relationships between the towns, the clubs, or the bands. Periodically people try to advance some notion that there is some level of competition or something, but if there is, it's isolated almost entirely to the annual WXDU/WXYC kickball game. There may be the occasional crackpot who sees things as a zero-sum game where somebody's gotta lose, but I would strongly caution you against extrapolating from them to anything bigger.

Or before you do, talk to Chaz & ask him how many Raleigh bands have played his store and/or Bull City HQ. Or talk to DJ Stevo at WKNC & ask him how he feels about bands from Durham & Chapel Hill. That dude loves *everybody* & he works his butt off to prove it.

Anyway. The more I think about it, the more I come back to point A: cheap real estate makes for countercultural magic. This is not a new concept.

Nor, for that matter, is the converse, which is that expensive real estate can kill the countercultural magic. Just look at Raleigh. Goodbye Kings, goodbye Bickett Gallery.

Ross

betsyshane AT gmail.com wrote:
Hey Alt.music.CH

I'm a student at Duke and am writing a paper about the indie rock
scene in the Triangle, with a particular focus on Durham identity. I
was hoping I could maybe spark a little conversation or a little
interest to email back and forth about what it means to be a member of
the community, either as a fan, a band member, an info center,
whatever the case may be.

I'm interested in exploring what exactly it means to be a "Durham
band" since the proliferation of so many groups claiming this lately,
as well as what it means to be part of the Durham scene, and how (or
if) this differs from say, being part of the Raleigh scene or the
Chapel Hill scene (and being a Raleigh band or CH band). I wonder
what *you* think of when you think of Durham (and be completely
honest) or if you ever think of it at all. Why does Durham have tee
shirts and no other town does? What's the pride all about?

I'll keep an eye out and hope I get some replies.
Thanks
Betsy-Shane

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