Development of Creative Commons licenses

[Jane Park <janepark AT creativecommons.org>]

Hi Chris,

Check out http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Photography - which was updated a little while ago. Additions/improvements by the community are very welcome there.

Perhaps it's time for this discussion to move to the cc-community list?

Best,
Jane

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Chris Sakkas <sanglorian AT gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Diane,

Kerrick's comments were directed at the free culture CC licences - he specifically said 'any CC except NC'. Jonathan Worth's photos are under CC BY-NC-SA.

That said, if anyone has examples of professional photographers who have succeeded with free culture licences, I'd like to know about them for something I'm writing now.

Cheers,

Chris

On 25 January 2012 17:44, Diane Cabell <diane AT cabell.us> wrote:

Not necessarily.  Photographer Jonathan Worth finds that using CC licenses has increased his revenues on sales of customized copies.  http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Photography  A lot of users simply don't want to become printers.

Worth's subjects are celebrities, which may make a difference.  He reports that fans start outbidding each other when he offers limited editions of customized reprints.  

Another tactic is to offer low res copies under CC while reserving high res for commercial use.

Diane Cabell
Oxford eResearch Centre
Creative Commons
iCommons Ltd

On Jan 25, 2012, at 12:54 AM, Kerrick Long wrote:

> You're quite wrong on that score.

I apologize, that was a hasty assumption.

>  You have made the common leap from “recipients can use my work for

> commercial purposes” to “I can't make a living”. 

Well, many photographers rely on licensing and re-licensing their work as a main source of income. CC-BY and CC-BY-SA are great if you get paid (enough) for the act of creating your work, but releasing it under any CC except NC means you lose any chance to make money by licensing your work for commercial use. Cut out that revenue stream, and many commercial, stock, architectural, and news photographers wouldn't be able to afford to stay in business.

Thanks,

Kerrick Long

http://kerricklong.com/

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Ben Finney <bignose+hates-spam AT benfinney.id.au> wrote:

Kerrick Long <me AT kerricklong.com> writes:

> I'm sorry to break it to you, but the only reason many people use

> CC-NC is *because* it is so conservative.

Thank you for bringing this opinion.

> I do *not* want a blog running advertisements to use [my work], nor do

> I want a non-profit organization with a budget for other things using
> it, nor do I want it to expire and automatically be transferred into a
> CC-BY-SA license

Why not? You imply that the following continues the thought:

> if money is being made by using my work, or a budget could be
> allocated to pay for its usage, I want to earn a living

But this is a non sequitur. People can and do make a living *and* make
their work available under CC BY-SA and CC-BY.

So, other than wanting to make a living, what are your reasons for
wanting to prevent the above actions?

> I joined this mailing list because I wanted to introduce what
> real-world content creators who make their living producing creative
> works think into this discussion. I can tell from what I've been
> receiving that very few of you put bread on the table and a roof over
> your head by creating content,

You're quite wrong on that score.

> because many of you seem to be *completely opposed* to enabling

> anybody to make money with works licensed under any CC license.

No, exactly the opposite: I want to *enable* people to make money with
the works I license, that's why I don't put a non-commercial clause on
them.

I make more money because more potential customers know of me, and
that's because more people distribute my work (charging a fee if they
want to), spreading it further than I can alone.

You have made the common leap from “recipients can use my work for
commercial purposes” to “I can't make a living”. There are many people
for whom that is not true, so you need to examine what is preventing you
from making a living with free works.

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