Development of Creative Commons licenses

[drew Roberts <zotz AT 100jamz.com>]

On Tuesday 24 January 2012 19:54:54 Kerrick Long wrote:
> > You're quite wrong on that score.
>
> I apologize, that was a hasty assumption.
>
> >  You have made the common leap from “recipients can use my work for
> > commercial purposes” to “I can't make a living”.
>
> Well, many photographers rely on licensing and re-licensing their work as a
> main source of income.

If we can get BY-SA right in the 4.x round, this licensing and re-licensing 
income will be available from all non-Free copyrighted works incorporating 
BY-SA photos. (If it is not there now as many seem to indicate.)

> CC-BY and CC-BY-SA are *great* if you get paid 
> (enough) for the act of creating your work, but releasing it under any CC
> except NC means you lose any chance to make money by licensing your work
> for commercial use. Cut out that revenue stream, and many commercial,
> stock, architectural, and news photographers wouldn't be able to afford to
> stay in business.
>
> Thanks,
> Kerrick Long
> http://kerricklong.com/
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Ben Finney <
>
> bignose+hates-spam AT benfinney.id.au> wrote:
> > Kerrick Long <me AT kerricklong.com> writes:
> > > I'm sorry to break it to you, but the only reason many people use
> > > CC-NC is *because* it is so conservative.
> >
> > Thank you for bringing this opinion.
> >
> > > I do *not* want a blog running advertisements to use [my work], nor do
> > > I want a non-profit organization with a budget for other things using
> > > it, nor do I want it to expire and automatically be transferred into a
> > > CC-BY-SA license
> >
> > Why not? You imply that the following continues the thought:
> > > if money is being made by using my work, or a budget could be
> > > allocated to pay for its usage, I want to earn a living
> >
> > But this is a non sequitur. People can and do make a living *and* make
> > their work available under CC BY-SA and CC-BY.
> >
> > So, other than wanting to make a living, what are your reasons for
> > wanting to prevent the above actions?
> >
> > > I joined this mailing list because I wanted to introduce what
> > > real-world content creators who make their living producing creative
> > > works think into this discussion. I can tell from what I've been
> > > receiving that very few of you put bread on the table and a roof over
> > > your head by creating content,
> >
> > You're quite wrong on that score.
> >
> > > because many of you seem to be *completely opposed* to enabling
> > > anybody to make money with works licensed under any CC license.
> >
> > No, exactly the opposite: I want to *enable* people to make money with
> > the works I license, that's why I don't put a non-commercial clause on
> > them.
> >
> > I make more money because more potential customers know of me, and
> > that's because more people distribute my work (charging a fee if they
> > want to), spreading it further than I can alone.
> >
> > You have made the common leap from “recipients can use my work for
> > commercial purposes” to “I can't make a living”. There are many people
> > for whom that is not true, so you need to examine what is preventing you
> > from making a living with free works.
> >
> > --
> >  \          “It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one |
> >  `\   trifling exception, is composed of others.” —John Andrew Holmes |
> > _o__)                                                                  |
> > Ben Finney
> >
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