Development of Creative Commons licenses

["Greg London" <email AT greglondon.com>]

drew Roberts said:
> On Sunday 06 March 2005 03:40 pm, Greg London wrote:
>> Rob Myers said:
>> > On 6 Mar 2005, at 04:12, Greg London wrote:
>> >> I'd be fine with something like "CC-NC-FAN".
>> >> Or "FC" for Fan Club, or whatever.
>> >> At least it would be an honest description.
>> >
>> > The licenses are modular. SA just means the other terms of the license
>> > must be re-applied to derived works. I don't think this is any kind of
>> > misrepresentation.
>>
>> But the name "ShareAlike" has natural connotations
>> that conflict with how NC-SA really works.
>
> I think some of us are finally getting a hang on what your "real" issue with
> this license/terminology is. Do you think we are getting it?

I think I'm finally finding the words to express my point, yes.

;)

>> "Ooh, share and share alike. Wait, no, not really"
>> "Oooh, Free Software. Wait, no, not really."
>
> Unfortunately, in english, I don't know if we can solve the problem with the
> double meaning of the word free. I don't think they have the problem in 
> other
> languages. I think we can try and educate better by pointing out that the
> phrase you have a problem with is meant to be a hint as to a different
> meaning for the word free and is not meant to be an analogy as we have
> discussed in the past.

Well, the "free" confusion is a done deal. Too late to fix it now.
"Open Source" tried to reframe it, but the "free" die-hards held on.

I'd simply like to see a different term for "ShareAlike"
anytime "ShareAlike" is combined with other restrictions, like NC.
Fix the problem before it gets too far along.


>> I guess we'd rather use "free" and "share" and other hip
>> and cool words even if we have to put footnotes
>> at the bottom to describe what they really mean.
>
> Do you have a better word than free in mind?

Not for "free". I think it's cooked.

For ShareAlike, the only thing I came up with was "FanClub".
It isn't as "sexy" as sharealike, but it has natural
connotations that match the reality of a CC-NC-SA license.
There is an author and there are fans. The author does
commercial sales of his work. The fans do non-commercial stuff.
That is exactly what CC-NC-SA does. Or maybe "FanCommunity"
because it does create a community, but it is noncommercial only.

Anyway, now that I finally explained my point, maybe someone
a little more creative can come up with some alternative names.

ShareAlike could then be reserved for CC-SA only, which would
be true to its namesake.