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  • From: Florian Philapitsch <florian.philapitsch AT wu-wien.ac.at>
  • To: Paul Keller <pk AT kl.nl>
  • Cc: cc-europe AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Cc-europe] draft letter to the CC Board on communication and governance
  • Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:21:09 +0200

Dear Paul, dear All,

you are probably right, this should be adressed on a seperate occasion, but, as I said, when and where?
Since we are already talking about that issue, I'd like to add some (personal and frustrated) thoughts to Henriks rant.
I have been active in the CC-business for a very long time now, I got in in the midst of the creation of the first CC-licenses for Austria. Since then I have spent quite some time on the CC-issue. Mainly because as a web-user I liked the idea of the project and as a jurist I liked the license-part. I wrote several texts on behalf of CC, I gave some speeches and I am just finishing the 3.0 licenses for Austria. For most of these things I did not recieve any money. For most of these things I did not _expect_ any money.

Personally, I am no big fan of iCommons. It feels like a generic movement, a forced good-will-organisation and the uptight and disilliusioned jurist in me despises the world-hugging copyright-hippie direction this "movement" has taken (the idea of a "greener" iSummit still makes me go *rrrraaaaahhh*). But hey, I do not have to like iCommons to work on CC which IMO is still a copyright-project.
Paul, you are right, the decision about the lump sum has been made - but this does not make it indiscussable. With the chosen solution, the optics are extremely poor. I regard it almost as a personal insult, when I invest unpaid time and work into CC, and then CCi (which I do not wish to blame for anything here) pays iCommons a sum for my participation and ultimately (and in the worst case scenario) I have to pay for my trip to Sapporo and the stay there.
This will result in fewer people travelling to Sapporo, therefore saving CCi some money but it also will result in some people (like me) severely considering if they want to further want to invest time and work when they end up paying for their trips themselves.

To sum this up in an over-simplifying way - personally, I do not want to have to do with iCommons. As a copyright jurist I am interested in the CC-licenses and the many interesting legal questions they bring on. Thinking that, ultimately, iCommons is getting money for the work I do, is making me a sad Panda :)

kind regards from Vienna,
Florian

Zitat von Paul Keller <pk AT kl.nl>:

On 23 Apr 2008, at 10:03, Florian Philapitsch wrote:

I totally agree with this letter and will be happy to sign it.
The issue with the seperation between iCommons and CC is raised, but
not really elaborated upon.

dear Florian,
thanks for your reponse....

In my opinion this will be one of the
major issues in the future. If I think of the mentioned 1000 USD paid
by CCi for the participation of (voluntary working) CCi-members to
iCommons, thereby nuking the sponsorship for travels, I feel that
clear and clean borders have to be drawn here.

i do not think that we should adress this issue in the letter
(disclosure: i am on the board of icommons) for the simple reason that
this decision has been made and we are beyond the point that it can be
changed. i agree with many of you here that the way the contribution by
CC to icommons is structured is not the most obvious or elegant one,
but in the end it does not really matter if icommmons pays a lup sum of
USD xxxx to icommons or if that sum is expressed as xx * nomber of
participants send to the summit by CCi. i do agree with you that there
need to be clear and clean borders and i think that our letter
underlines this.

best regards, paul

This HAS to be addressed and discussed, however, I am not sure, if
this letter is the right place. On the other hand - what is?

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