Biblical Hebrew Forum

[K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com>]

Randall:

If the qal and niphal conjugate for active, piel and pual for stative,
hiphil and hophal for causative, and hitpael for reflexive, then what would
anyone expect a hiphil NCL to mean when the qal means to take away. But
don’t expect this to map cleanly onto English, after all, we’re discussing
Biblical Hebrew here.

As for this sentence, it is the context that indicates the aspect, not the
verbal conjugation.

Karl W. Randolph.

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Randall Buth <randallbuth AT gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:58 PM, K Randolph <kwrandolph AT gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Randall:
>>
>> According to a concordance, this word is listed under NCL נצל and is found
>> in the niphal, hiphil, hophal and hitpael binyanim. The consonantal text
>> allows for it to be read as a qal and is defective for a hiphil reading (a
>> hiphil example is found in the next verse).
>>
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> Thanks, Karl, but this doesn't actually interact with the
> meaning questions that I asked.
>
> Do you claim that the   pa`al   or   hif`il  means 'to take away ...'?
>
> And whichever is which,  then what do you claim for the other?
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> Or do you claim that the pa`al and hif`il   mean the same?
>
> I suppose after you clarify those questions
> we can discuss whether a *natsal actually occurs somewhere,
> which is a separate question.
>
> On morphology and wayyiqtol vs yiqtol:
> I'm glad you like hatsil in the next verse. Again, after clarifying the
> questions, we can discuss
>                       wayyiqtol   wayyatsel
>
> and compare with yiqtol    yatsil.
> (which is a third issue)
>
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