Biblical Hebrew Forum

[fred burlingame <tensorpath AT gmail.com>]

that is my understanding .... of the mainstream view ....

vav prefixed to a pronomial prefixed verb .... functions as

a. conjunction; and

b. tense converter.

but i am not unmindful of your teaching .... to wit:

ו (vav) = ב (bet), whose literal meaning = thicken; and whose abstract
meaning = to come into being; and which latter letter births in turn the
verb בוא (boh or voh).

perhaps the solution resides in the eternal perspective, rather than the
space/time perspective of our universe. .... in other words, the hebrew
language sees only the present .... or "avraham acts again and takes a
woman" ....; no past; no future, only present; and pronomial suffixed verbs
= pronomial prefixed verbs .... much as noun synonyms ... :)

regards,

fred burlingame

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu> wrote:

> 3. So is this a "conjunction" vav (it is actually VA, not a mere V) or a
> "conversive" vav, or both?
>
> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>
>  On Feb 1, 2011, at 11:04 PM, fred burlingame wrote:
>
>  that is my understanding of the conventional wisdom ... the ebb and flow
> of the tide:
>
> 1. לקח , la-ka = base form of verb, pronomial suffix form (but without
> pronoun appearing in this instance), and instructing past tense;
>
> 2. יקח , yi-ka = iteration no. 1, pronomial prefix form of verb, with
> pronoun yod appearing and instructing future tense;
>
> 3. ויקח , va-yi-ka = iteration no. 2, pronomial prefix form of verb, with
> pronoun yod appearing, and conjunction vav also prefixed, which converts
> verb back into past tense.
>
> regards,
>
> fred burlingame
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Do you mean the vav in VA-YI-QAX (Genesis 25:1), that "coverts" YI-QAX? Is
>> the YI in YI-QAX also a yod conversive turning the imperative QAX into the
>> future YI-QAX?
>>
>> Isaac Fried, boston University
>>
>>  On Feb 1, 2011, at 10:19 PM, fred burlingame wrote:
>>
>>  I suppose that:
>>
>> a. genesis 25:1 (past tense, pronomial prefix verb form?); and
>>
>> b. isaiah 2:4 (future tense, pronomial suffix verb form?);
>>
>> exemplify the two forms with "converting" vav attached as prefix.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> fred burlingame
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> This sounds remarkable. Could you give us an examples of this vav for
>>> both conversions?
>>>
>>> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>>>
>>>  On Feb 1, 2011, at 8:13 PM, fred burlingame wrote:
>>>
>>>  lol ...
>>>
>>> i don't know ...
>>>
>>> that's the conventional wisdom ...
>>>
>>> the vav prefix converts pronoun prefixed verbs from future to past tense;
>>> and pronoun suffixed verbs from past to future tense ....
>>>
>>> i gather you have not subscribed to that program?
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> fred burlingame
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is this vav conversive? Is it converting something?
>>>>
>>>> Isaac Fried, Boston University
>>>>
>>>>  On Feb 1, 2011, at 7:39 PM, fred burlingame wrote:
>>>>
>>>> iii. the vav conversive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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