Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>]

3. So is this a "conjunction" vav (it is actually VA, not a mere V)  
or a "conversive" vav, or both?

Isaac Fried, Boston University

On Feb 1, 2011, at 11:04 PM, fred burlingame wrote:

> that is my understanding of the conventional wisdom ... the ebb and  
> flow of the tide:
>
> 1. לקח , la-ka = base form of verb, pronomial suffix form (but  
> without pronoun appearing in this instance), and instructing past  
> tense;
>
> 2. יקח , yi-ka = iteration no. 1, pronomial prefix form of verb,  
> with pronoun yod appearing and instructing future tense;
>
> 3. ויקח , va-yi-ka = iteration no. 2, pronomial prefix form of  
> verb, with pronoun yod appearing, and conjunction vav also  
> prefixed, which converts verb back into past tense.
>
> regards,
>
> fred burlingame
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu> wrote:
> Do you mean the vav in VA-YI-QAX (Genesis 25:1), that "coverts" YI- 
> QAX? Is the YI in YI-QAX also a yod conversive turning the  
> imperative QAX into the future YI-QAX?
>
> Isaac Fried, boston University
>
> On Feb 1, 2011, at 10:19 PM, fred burlingame wrote:
>
> > I suppose that:
> >
> > a. genesis 25:1 (past tense, pronomial prefix verb form?); and
> >
> > b. isaiah 2:4 (future tense, pronomial suffix verb form?);
> >
> > exemplify the two forms with "converting" vav attached as prefix.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > fred burlingame
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu> wrote:
> > This sounds remarkable. Could you give us an examples of this vav  
> > for both conversions?
> >
> > Isaac Fried, Boston University
> >
> > On Feb 1, 2011, at 8:13 PM, fred burlingame wrote:
> >
> > > lol ...
> > >
> > > i don't know ...
> > >
> > > that's the conventional wisdom ...
> > >
> > > the vav prefix converts pronoun prefixed verbs from future to  
> > > past tense; and pronoun suffixed verbs from past to future  
> > > tense ....
> > >
> > > i gather you have not subscribed to that program?
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > fred burlingame
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu> wrote:
> > > What is this vav conversive? Is it converting something?
> > >
> > > Isaac Fried, Boston University
> > >
> > > On Feb 1, 2011, at 7:39 PM, fred burlingame wrote:
> > >
> > > > iii. the vav conversive.