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- From: George Athas <George.Athas AT moore.edu.au>
- To: B-Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30
- Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 00:53:08 +1000
James, I think you may be mixing the categories of myth and legend. A myth
has absolutely no historical basis at all, even though it may be trying to
explaining something very real. The Greek gods belong to this category.
Legend, on the other hand, has an historical kernel around which an
embellished tradition has accrued. The Greek heroes Heracles and Odysseus are
probably just such 'legendary' figures.
Now, in terms of the aetiologies in the Bible, you may very well be correct
that they have a legendary development going back to a real historical
person/event. However, there is no way to corroborate this. There isn't even
any 'probability' here in terms of historical likelihood. We just simply do
not know. If you opt for a 'likely historical' view, then you are doing so on
the basis of an assumption, preference, or faith. That's OK to do that, so
long as it's acknowledged.
GEORGE ATHAS
Moore Theological College (Sydney, Australia)
www.moore.edu.au
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From: James Christian <jc.bhebrew AT googlemail.com>
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 18:56:02 +1000
To: George Athas <george.athas AT moore.edu.au>
Cc: B-Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30
George,
these stories are most likely based on actual historical figures. There was
likely, at some point, a community of rulers associated with Olympus that
were deified after death. We see this phenomenon in pretty much most ancient
cultures. Pharoah's became gods after death. Caesars were deified after death
etc.
James Christian
On 14 May 2010 03:09, George Athas <George.Athas AT moore.edu.au> wrote:
The Greeks believed the gods lived on Olympus and that Aphrodite was born
beyond some rocks just off the coast of Cyprus. A community will hold to what
its leaders, especially storytellers, tell them. Whether it's based on fact
or not is a different consideration.
GEORGE ATHAS
Moore Theological College (Sydney, Australia)
www.moore.edu.au <http://www.moore.edu.au>
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
James Christian, 05/12/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
George Athas, 05/12/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
James Christian, 05/12/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
George Athas, 05/12/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
James Christian, 05/12/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30, George Athas, 05/12/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30, James Christian, 05/13/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30, George Athas, 05/13/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30, James Christian, 05/14/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30, K Randolph, 05/14/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30, George Athas, 05/14/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
James Christian, 05/12/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
George Athas, 05/12/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
James Christian, 05/12/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
George Athas, 05/12/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
James Christian, 05/12/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
James Christian, 05/15/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
Yigal Levin, 05/15/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30, James Christian, 05/16/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
Yigal Levin, 05/15/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
James Christian, 05/15/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
Yitzhak Sapir, 05/17/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
James Christian, 05/17/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
James Christian, 05/17/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
James Christian, 05/17/2010
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30, Yitzhak Sapir, 05/17/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
James Christian, 05/17/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
James Christian, 05/17/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
James Christian, 05/17/2010
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 30:20-30,
Yitzhak Sapir, 05/17/2010
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