Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Yitzhak Sapir <yitzhaksapir AT gmail.com>]

Hello Karl,

I did read some of the footnotes.  I noted that the footnotes quote sources I
would probably not consider authoritative.  In view of the character of the
website, I therefore give no credence to the footnotes.  Even if a website
quotes a source I would consider authoritative, it could easily misinterpret
it, making all the information about the source, except for the 
bibliographical
information, useless.

>> 4) Thutmosis III is not Shoshenq, no matter what Velikovsky
>> thought.
>>
>
> Shisherke (Thutmosis III) ≠ Shoshenq ≠ ששק no matter what you think. The two
> Egyptian names refer to two different people. Looking at the three
> names, ששק is most similar to Shisherke.

I tried really hard to find where you got this equation.  I quote an earlier
statement of yours:

> (e.g. Thutmosis III also known as Shisherke, ששק in Hebrew)

As for Shishak vs Shoshenq see here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10494
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ANE-2/message/10498

Regarding the equation Thutmose III = Shisherke, we can go to
the website:
http://www.specialtyinterests.net/thutmose.html
Or, to a book:
http://books.google.com/books?id=F74JXoief34C&pg=PA73
(I consider this book about as authoritative as the website).

But Mr. Sweeney does not know a lot about Egyptian phonology.
The letter transcribed as Dj was transcribed into Hebrew as Sade.
This is the case with the city name Zoan:
http://books.google.com/books?id=8Onqc1llLRoC&pg=PA39 (top)
The phrase Djeser-ka is transcribed as: D_SR-K3 as in the following:
http://books.google.com/books?id=gMxfheT1XQIC&pg=PA337
It would be transcribed into Hebrew, I guess, as: "c$r-k)" צסרכא
And with the Re, צסרכארע.

If we compare even the mutilated transcription Shisherke, we find
a kaf where there should be a quf, and a r where there should be
no letter.  We know of an nun being dropped before a consonant
but not of a resh.  The only thing more similar that Shoshenq is
the -i- but have you checked the unvocalized spelling of Kings?

And this is not all!  Thutmose III's throne name was not
Djeser-ke.  It was Menkheperre.  Djeser-ka-re was the
Horus name of Amenhotep I.  Here are some references
on Thutmose III that I would accept as authoritative:
Cline and O'Connor's Thutmose III
http://books.google.com/books?id=eqHKDKo3cVsC
Redford's The wars in Syria and Palestine of Thutmose III
http://books.google.com/books?id=2uDdg8bDVzMC

So now, can you tell me how you got that Thutmose is
Shisherke?  And how you got that Shoshenq cannot be
the Hebrew $W$Q?

Yitzhak Sapir