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- From: Isaac Fried <if AT math.bu.edu>
- To: Jason Hare <jaihare AT gmail.com>
- Cc: "b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?
- Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:42:16 -0500
Jason,
I realize that this thread is exhausted and on the wane, but since you are misrepresenting my position I will reiterate it here.
I support the notion that the dagesh system is of great antiquity, representing the intermediate stage between the bare text and the fully punctuated text. The NAQDANIM of the 7th century had already books with the dagesh system in them but they left it there (out of veneration for tradition?) even though this dagesh became superfluous with the introduction of their full NIKUD.
Consider Ex 9:25, which I bring here bare
את כל-עשב השדה הכה הברד ואת כל עץ השדה שבר
How was the public reader of two thousand years ago to remember that it is $IBER and not $ABAR? For this purpose a mnemonic tiny dot was placed in the hollow of the B to remind him of the XIRIQ, or the missing yod. Such a dot was placed also following a QUBUC, and it became the inner dot of the $URUQ.
The dagesh is indeed absent in QITOR,'steam', which has a yod, or GDULAH, 'greatness', which has $URUQ (some books have, erroneously, I think, a dagesh in GDULAH of Esther 6:3).
I have no good explanation for the dagesh following PATAX.
There are exceptions, as usual, for instance in the tree name LIBNEH of Genesis 30:37, or the personal name GID(ON of Judges 6:13.
Isaac Fried, Boston University
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Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?, Isaac Fried, 02/22/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?, Brak, 02/22/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?, Isaac Fried, 02/22/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?, Brak, 02/23/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?, Isaac Fried, 02/23/2009
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?, Isaac Fried, 02/23/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?,
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Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?,
Jason Hare, 02/24/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?, Yitzhak Sapir, 02/24/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?, Isaac Fried, 02/25/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?,
Jason Hare, 02/24/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?,
Jason Hare, 02/23/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?,
Isaac Fried, 02/23/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?,
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?, Yodan, 02/24/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?, Isaac Fried, 02/24/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?, Yodan, 02/24/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?, Isaac Fried, 02/24/2009
- [b-hebrew] Please crop your posts, Yigal Levin, 02/25/2009
- Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?, Yitzhak Sapir, 02/26/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?,
Isaac Fried, 02/23/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?,
Isaac Fried, 02/23/2009
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Re: [b-hebrew] Any meaning to the Dagesh?,
Jason Hare, 02/23/2009
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