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  • From: "Kevin Riley" <klriley AT alphalink.com.au>
  • To: "b-hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] XBR vs. ubburu: Hebron
  • Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:39:55 +1100 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time)

Karl,

Jim's examples come from a paper by Aloysius Fitzgerald, who does read
Hebrew. As I said in my response, Fitzgerald acknowledges that there are
heavy-weight Hebrew scholars who disagree with him. I am not sure you can
access the paper on the net without a subscription, but what Jim reports is
an accurate report of Fitzgerald's position.

Kevin Riley

-------Original Message-------

From: K Randolph
Date: 22/02/2009 11:31:54 AM

Jim:

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:07 PM, <JimStinehart AT aol.com> wrote:

>
> 2. Within Biblical Hebrew
>
> A resh/R in the Bronze Age sometimes softened to a lamed/L by the Late
> Bronze
> Age or the Iron Age. Also, in the Bronze Age and Iron Age some dialects
> may
> have said resh/R while other dialects said lamed/L, and vice versa, even
> though they were the same words.
>

The problem with cognate languages is that they are cognate languages. Just
Because some languages had one and the others the other does not mean that
The sounds were interchangeable.

>
> Even within the Bible itself, there is sometimes a de facto
> interchangeability of resh/R and lamed/L, reflecting that phenomenon.
>
> (a) In connection with Isaiah 13: 22, Gesenius remarks: "the letter resh
> [R] being softened into lamed [L] as is frequently the case." The most
> famous
> Biblical example of this phenomenon is Isaiah 13: 22, where the two
> underlying
> basic words, one spelled with a lamed/L and one spelled with a resh/R, are

> as
> follows: aleph-lamed-mem-nun/aLman = forsaken;
> aleph-resh-mem-vav-nun/aRman
> = palace. At Isaiah 13: 22, we see a feminine plural form, spelled with a
> lamed/L: aleph-lamed-mem-nun-vav-tav. But although the lamed/L would
> normally
> indicate "forsaken", here this word is often taken to mean "palaces", as
if
> the second letter was resh/R. Or possibly there is a double meaning here,
> so
> that the word in context means "forsaken palaces". Gesenius further notes
> in
> this context: "I.q. Aleph-resh-mem-nun-tav (which is itself the reading of

> some copies)".
>

While it is a possibility that there is a typo (copyist error) in this
Verse, it also reads correctly as written, I.e. Referring to widows. Look at

The conjugation of the verbs in the section, this is not a continuation of
The previous verses, even though it appears to be so. Hence, Gesenius is
Wrong (not surprising).

>
> (b) Four more examples like this, with lamed/L being interchangeable with
> resh/R in Biblical Hebrew in certain contexts, are set forth by Aloysius
> Fitzgerald in "The Interchange of L, N, and R in Biblical Hebrew", in
> Journal of
> Biblical Literature, Vol. 97, No. 4 (Dec, 1978), PP. 481-488.
>
> (I) At Job 6: 15-17, "understand… ayin-lm here as a dialectal form of
> ayin-rm". At p. 483. Ayin-resh-mem means "heaped". Ayin-lamed-resh, by
> contrast, "denotes 'hidden from the mind so that one is unaware of,
> unconcerned about
> an idea, activities, a situation or the like.' The verb is never used of a

> physical thing being hidden from the eyes of a beholder."


Wrong again. Making unknown is used to indicate things, including physical
Objects, out of sight.


> At p. 483. Here,
> the snow is "heaped up",


This is poetic, and heaped up is not a necessary reading of the verse.


> rather than the snow being "unaware" of some "
> situation", or someone being "unaware" of the "situation" regarding the
> snow.


Snow is the subject of the verb, covering that which is underneath. You
Misread the text (sorry, you don't read Hebrew).


> (ii) "The second instance, confirmatory of the first, of this interchange
> [of lamed/L with resh/R] in Job 6 is found in v 25: …Here nmrsw = nmlsw…."

> At
> p. 485.
>

MRC is a correct reading of the word, no need to speculate about a typo
Here.

>
>
> These examples show that even within the Bible itself, resh/R and lamed/L
> are
> sometimes interchangeable.
>

Not one of your examples stands up as a necessary reading of the verses,
Hence this supposed interchange between lamedh and resh is highly
speculative at best.

>
>
>
> Jim Stinehart
> Evanston, Illinois
>

Karl W. Randolph.
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