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  • From: Tna Swg <tnaswg AT yahoo.com>
  • To: George Athas <gathas AT hotkey.net.au>, 'b-hebrew' <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Leviral marriage
  • Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:50:08 -0700 (PDT)

Might the condemnation of polygamy, and for that matter, same-sex marriage,
simply and only be a retrojection of current mores?

Marc Bauer

George Athas <gathas AT hotkey.net.au> wrote:

2 Samuel 12.8 (ESV) - Yahweh's words to David through Nathan:

And I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your
arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too
little, I would add to you as much more.


This suggests that Yahweh, at least in the Hebrew Bible, is not opposed
to polygamy. He may not like it, but he certainly permits it. In a
patriarchal society like Ancient Israel (and other such societies),
polygamy was sometimes the only means of social welfare for some women.
That is, one man would marry multiple women in order to grant them
social refuge and security. The Tamar (Gen) and Ruth narratives intimate
this quite well.

If you take a canonical approach, then you could say that while Yahweh
permits polygamy, it's not his preferred option. Gen 1 and 2 certainly
proposes one-man-one-woman as the ideal. That is, it only takes one man
and one woman to form the adequate social unit to uphold society and to
give each other companionship. When there were women vulnerably outside
this unit, polygamy would have provided a means for social incorporation
and wellbeing. Polygamy needs to be seen in its context. It does not
seem to be condoned, but it is permitted for reasons of social
wellbeing.


Best regards,
GEORGE ATHAS
(Sydney, Australia)




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Some retrojection is unavoidable - we are all children of our time - but
the basis is also an understanding of the story of Adam and Eve [whether
understood literally or otherwise] as a paradigm of God's ideal for human
families. The current fashion for nuclear families undoubtedly contributes
to that, but the basis is there to begin with. The Bible itself is silent
on the issue of whether Adam and Eve where meant to be the ideal for all
families in all times. Most current 'mainstream' commentators focus on both
the 'twoness' and the 'maleness and femaleness' of Adam and Eve. Whether
that is the correct, or only correct, reading is a matter of opinion, and
probably a debate we could avoid as it has little to do with Hebrew. As was
said in another context, the Bible is not exhaustive truth.

Kevin Riley


-------Original Message-------

From: Tna Swg
Date: 10/28/05 09:50:08

Might the condemnation of polygamy, and for that matter, same-sex marriage,
simply and only be a retrojection of current mores?

Marc Bauer

George Athas <gathas AT hotkey.net.au> wrote:

2 Samuel 12.8 (ESV) - Yahweh's words to David through Nathan:

And I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your
arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too
little, I would add to you as much more.


This suggests that Yahweh, at least in the Hebrew Bible, is not opposed
to polygamy. He may not like it, but he certainly permits it. In a
patriarchal society like Ancient Israel (and other such societies),
polygamy was sometimes the only means of social welfare for some women.
That is, one man would marry multiple women in order to grant them
social refuge and security. The Tamar (Gen) and Ruth narratives intimate
this quite well.

If you take a canonical approach, then you could say that while Yahweh
permits polygamy, it's not his preferred option. Gen 1 and 2 certainly
proposes one-man-one-woman as the ideal. That is, it only takes one man
and one woman to form the adequate social unit to uphold society and to
give each other companionship. When there were women vulnerably outside
this unit, polygamy would have provided a means for social incorporation
and wellbeing. Polygamy needs to be seen in its context. It does not
seem to be condoned, but it is permitted for reasons of social
wellbeing.


Best regards,
GEORGE ATHAS
(Sydney, Australia)








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