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["Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>]

Bill,

Your reasoning was very followable up until this point.

>David's half dozen doesn't raise any moral qualms except the acquistion
>of Bathsheba. But even here Nathan the Prophet was not sent
>to David until after Uriah was dead. If God had sent Nathan after David
>had shagged Bathsheba he (God) could have saved Uriah's life.

Are you suggesting that Yah was only upset with David for having Uriah 
bumped off and not for the original doing the dirty on him with his wife?

This would seem to contradict the context as Nathan tells a story about 
a man with many who steals from a man with only one. This would seem to 
indicate that Uriah's objective was to make David understand the gravity 
of his mistake regarding the stealing of Uriah's wife. Plus the greater 
context of the law and more specifically of the ten words shows that 
Yah had expressed quite clearly that taking another man's wife was an
immoral act.


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On rereading my post I realised that I should correct myself. 

>Yah had expressed quite clearly that taking another man's wife was an
>immoral act.

I would probably have been more faithful to the text by saying that Yah 
had quite clearly expressed that it was immoral to take another man's 
woman. 

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Bill,

Your reasoning was very followable up until this point.

>David's half dozen doesn't raise any moral qualms except the acquistion
>of Bathsheba. But even here Nathan the Prophet was not sent
>to David until after Uriah was dead. If God had sent Nathan after David
>had shagged Bathsheba he (God) could have saved Uriah's life.

Are you suggesting that Yah was only upset with David for having Uriah 
bumped off and not for the original doing the dirty on him with his wife?

This would seem to contradict the context as Nathan tells a story about 
a man with many who steals from a man with only one. This would seem to 
indicate that Uriah's objective was to make David understand the gravity 
of his mistake regarding the stealing of Uriah's wife. Plus the greater 
context of the law and more specifically of the ten words shows that 
Yah had expressed quite clearly that taking another man's wife was an
immoral act.


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>From a purely semantic point of view, biblical hebrew does not have separate
words for "wife" and "woman". Both are "ishah". We really don't know what
kind of "wedding" ceremony existed in biblical Israel. If an ishah (wonam)
"was a man's", she was his ishah (wife).

Yigal
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>
> On rereading my post I realised that I should correct myself.
>
>>Yah had expressed quite clearly that taking another man's wife was an
>>immoral act.
>
> I would probably have been more faithful to the text by saying that Yah
> had quite clearly expressed that it was immoral to take another man's
> woman.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Thu 10/20/2005 11:08 PM
> To: bill.rea AT canterbury.ac.nz; b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Leviral marriage
>
> Bill,
>
> Your reasoning was very followable up until this point.
>
>>David's half dozen doesn't raise any moral qualms except the acquistion
>>of Bathsheba. But even here Nathan the Prophet was not sent
>>to David until after Uriah was dead. If God had sent Nathan after David
>>had shagged Bathsheba he (God) could have saved Uriah's life.
>
> Are you suggesting that Yah was only upset with David for having Uriah
> bumped off and not for the original doing the dirty on him with his wife?
>
> This would seem to contradict the context as Nathan tells a story about
> a man with many who steals from a man with only one. This would seem to
> indicate that Uriah's objective was to make David understand the gravity
> of his mistake regarding the stealing of Uriah's wife. Plus the greater
> context of the law and more specifically of the ten words shows that
> Yah had expressed quite clearly that taking another man's wife was an
> immoral act.
>
>
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