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- From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
- To: Karl Randolph <kwrandolph AT email.com>
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] XSD
- Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:16:57 +0100
On 23/08/2005 17:01, Karl Randolph wrote:
... By allowing for the "stronger" use of WAW in Leviticus 20:17 preceding the NKRTW a reading of the verse will not force us into a unique meaning for XSD rather the XSD HW) WNKRTW L(YNY BNY (MM is the complete phrase.
I accept that this parsing is not totally impossible, although unlikely. But this still means accepting a unique sense of XESED as suggesting some kind of command.
XSD is another lexeme in Hebrew with no equivelant in English. And just as I told Harold Holmyard concerning X+)T having a broader "secular" meaning than its most common theological application, so we should not leave out the possibility that XSD also has a broader "secular" meaning than found in its theological uses. And in its "secular" uses could have somewhat a negative flavor while still preserving its basic meaning of "undeserved good favor".
Well, if the meaning is negative, we would have to drop the "good". Perhaps "inappropriate response" could cover both aspects.
As for lexemes having diverse meanings, while I don't rule that out, after studying a few foreign languages I have found that lexemes having diverse meanings are quite rare. ...
I don't claim that XESED necessarily has two completely different and unrelated meanings, just that the meaning in these two or three verses must be somewhat different from in most other places.
... That is not the same as recognizing that a lexeme may have such a broad meaning that it can be translated by several lexemes in another language, nor is it a claim that all lexemes have narrowly defined boundaries in meaning, rather a recognition that it is rare for a lexeme to have both one meaning and its near opposite, or even a completely unrelated one. ...
I agree that this is rare, but it is not unprecedented.
Another example, by the way, is BARUK "blessed", which is occasionally used with a meaning something like "cursed". This is usually understood as a euphemistic replacement of an original curse word. The result of this substitution is that the word occasionally means the exact opposite of its regular meaning. Perhaps the same is true of this use of XESED, as a substitute for an original strongly pejorative word. On the other hand, the rather negative sense in Arabic and Aramaic suggests something different.
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Re: [b-hebrew] XSD,
Bearpecs, 08/21/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] XSD,
Karl Randolph, 08/22/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] XSD, Harold R. Holmyard III, 08/22/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] XSD, Peter Kirk, 08/22/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] XSD,
Karl Randolph, 08/22/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] XSD,
Peter Kirk, 08/23/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] XSD, Ben Crick, 08/23/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] XSD,
Peter Kirk, 08/23/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] XSD,
Karl Randolph, 08/22/2005
- [b-hebrew] XSD, Harold R. Holmyard III, 08/23/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] XSD,
Karl Randolph, 08/23/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] XSD, Peter Kirk, 08/23/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] XSD, Dave Washburn, 08/23/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] XSD, Read, James C, 08/23/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] XSD,
Peter Kirk, 08/23/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] XSD,
Bill Rea, 08/23/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] XSD, Sujata, 08/23/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] XSD,
Peter Kirk, 08/23/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] XSD,
Bill Rea, 08/23/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] XSD, Kevin Riley, 08/23/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] XSD,
Bill Rea, 08/23/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] XSD,
Bill Rea, 08/23/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] XSD,
Karl Randolph, 08/24/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] XSD, Peter Kirk, 08/24/2005
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