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- From: "Harold R. Holmyard III" <hholmyard AT ont.com>
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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?
- Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:04:31 -0500
Dear Chris,
Such a change might seem useless _to you_. But what about _to the Chronicler_? By substituting the common noun "an adversary" for "YHWH," and dropping the direct quotation, wouldn't this allow the Chronicler to "soften the blow" a little bit? He maintains the story he has received in the (written!) tradition, but now avoids depicting God as giving David a _direct order_ to do something for which God then punishes David. _If_ the Chronicler is using _satan_ as a common noun, he can "spin" this as a "test" (the Chronicler does not use that word, AFAICR) which David could potentially have "passed" by resisting the temptation. But in Samuel, David cannot get out of the census without _disobeying_ God flatly, so David is in an absolute bind. Now again, I want to repeat, I don't _know_ that this is what is going on, and I don't think I have done the groundwork to even start to _demonstrate_ it. I am just thinking "out loud" (well, er,
visually in this medium I guess).
HH: The Chronicler relied on the documents in 1 & 2 Samuel, or to sources from which 1 & 2 Samuel derived. So any reader would or could discover that the "adversary" was God. All the Chronicler would have done was obscure the truth, which the reader could eventually discover anyway and still be left with the same theological issue. It seems much more helpful that he clarified how God was acting only indirectly through His providential permission of Satan's action. The Chronicler made plain what the reader of 2 Samuel was supposed to understand, that God is sovereign over all that happens, however it happens. The words "God did such and so" allow for secondary agency and even secondary will. By changing "God" to "Satan" the Chronicler shed spiritual light on a text (1 Samuel 24) that required some sophistication to read properly.
HH: The text in 2 Samuel obliges one to insert an agency like Satan, even though it is not stated. For God could hardly command someone directly to do something and then punish him for doing it (2 Sam 24:13-17). And David could easily have exonerated himself on the grounds of obedience if God had directly commanded him to act, but instead he feels guilt (2 Sam 24:10). He feels he has sinned (v. 17), acting contrary to God, not in obedience to Him. What is implicit in the Samuel account is made explicit by the Chronicler.
Yours,
Hariold Holmyard
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[b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Evgeny Ivanov, 08/04/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?, Harold R. Holmyard III, 08/04/2005
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?, Revdpickrel, 08/04/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Heard, Christopher, 08/04/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Jim West, 08/04/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] 2 Sam 24 vs. 2 Chron 21 (was something else), Heard, Christopher, 08/04/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?, Harold R. Holmyard III, 08/04/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 08/04/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Heard, Christopher, 08/04/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 08/04/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Heard, Christopher, 08/04/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?, Harold R. Holmyard III, 08/04/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 08/04/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?, Heard, Christopher, 08/04/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Heard, Christopher, 08/04/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 08/04/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Heard, Christopher, 08/04/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?, Peter Kirk, 08/04/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Jim West, 08/04/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Karl Randolph, 08/04/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Heard, Christopher, 08/04/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?, Jim West, 08/04/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Heard, Christopher, 08/04/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 08/04/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Is.45:7 God created evil?, Heard, Christopher, 08/05/2005
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