Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Read, James C" <K0434995 AT kingston.ac.uk>]

This is why I continue to hold that the phrase is the basic unit 
of translation and not the word. 'Started to build' is a fixed 
phrase with its own immutable meaning, which as already observed 
is conditional on societies mutual decision to understand this 
meaning.
We are yet to receive simplistic answers from Rolf about how his 
research should affect translation of verbs. This is something that 
interests me greatly and so I await his answers with anticipation.

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On Wednesday 27 July 2005 11:17, Rolf Furuli wrote:
> Dear Joel,
>
> See my comments below.
[snip]
>
> For example, the word BN) (build) is marked for durativity and dynamicity,
> but not for telicity. However, if we add an object, we can get a telic verb
> phrase, as in "build a house". Please look at the clause below.
>
> "Last Year Al started to build a house, but he never finished it."
>
> It is clear that the end was not reached, but does that mean that the
> telicity of "started to build a house" is blotted out?  Not at all.  
[snip]

Actually, this example says nothing about the question of telicity in 
"build," 
because the main verb of the clause is "start."

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Dave Washburn
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While many ancient sources have been used to try to understand the
pronunciation of YHWH, there is one source that no one seems to be aware
of in which an actual pronunciation has been preserved.

After the Bar Kochba rebellion was crushed by the Romans in 135 CE many
Jews fled the land of Israel to places that were not under Roman rule,
such as the Arabian Penninsula and the lands of the Persian Empire. One
group of Jewish refugees appears to have fled by boat as far as North
America. Evidence for this includes Bar Kochba era coins discovered along
the Ohio River and a Canaanite Hebrew inscription on a headstone in an
undisturbed burial mound found in a controlled archeological dig conducted
by the Simthsonian Bureau of Ethnology in the late nineteenth century.

This might be considered nothing more than an interesting historical
footnote except for the fact that the religion of the Cherokee Indians
before the arrival of European settlers was very similar in beliefs to
Phariseeic Judaism. Cherokee legends included the story of Adam and Eve,
the Great Flood, the tower of Babel, Abraham, Moses and wandering in the
wilderness. The number 7 had special meaning for the Cherokees who
observed a sabbath every seventh day. They believed in a single spirit
god, life after death and heaven and hell.

One of the most interesting things about the Cherokee religion was the
belief that the name of God was sacred and was only to be spoken by the
high priest on special religious occasions. The name of the Cherokee god
was Ye ho waah. To the extent that this name and its pronunciation have
been accurately preserved by the Cherokees, we have evidence that the name
YHWH had three syllables and was pronounced Ye ho waah at the time of the
Bar Kochba rebellion. If this is the case, there is no obvious reason to
believe that it was pronounced differently at earlier times.

A chapter describing the Cherokee religion is included in the book
"Understanding the Exodus and Other Mysteries of Jewish History" that can
be obtained from the website www.etzhaimpress.com. A number of references
are included in this chapter.

Stephen Segall