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  • From: "Rolf Furuli" <furuli AT online.no>
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  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] VERBS
  • Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:06:27 +0100

Dear Ken,

Your thoughts below are interesting, and I agree that a few counter-examples
do not necessarily invalidate a particular meaning. I state this explicitly in my
dissertation, but I qualify the statement by saying that such
counter-examples should be explained. For example, we have hypothetical
conditional sentences and other special cases. When we look at the English
verbal system, we see that present verbs with future and past reference are
normal, and therefore I conclude that English present is not a tense.
However, when verbs with past tense are used in non-past contexts, we see
that they are special cases; i.e. their "unnormal" use can be explained (see
B. Comrie "Tense" (1985) p. 20.) The same is true with future forms.

The only candidate for a tense interpretation in classical Hebrew is WAYYIQTOL. However, most of the 997 examples of WAYYIQTOLs with non-past reference are not special cases. And even though they are few (6.9% of all WAYYIQTOLs), their number is statistically significant, and therefore they militate against a tense interpretation. Moreover, you will see from my chapter on YIQTOL that of the 1,027 examples of YIQTOL with past reference, 896 are preceded by a word element. And it is argued that in most of these examples, if this preceding element were removed, the YIQTOLs would have become WAYYIQTOLs. So the WAYY-element simply is the normal conjunctive element when a verb YIQTOL is sentence initial.
The conclusion is that the WAYYIQTOLs with non-past referene and the YIQTOLs with past reference, cannot be viewed as "a few" counter-examples; their numbers are significant.

I am not sure what you mean by "core meaning" in connection with tenses, so could you please explain that?



----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Penner" <pennerkm AT mcmaster.ca>
To: "'Rolf Furuli'" <furuli AT online.no>; <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 1:46 PM
Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] VERBS

Best regards

Rolf Furuli
University of Oslo


Rolf wrote:

The concept signaled by each word usually has a
core which is
quite clear, but it becomes more fuzzy toward the edges.

The same fuzziness may also obtain with verbal inflection: there is a core
meaning that may become fuzzy in certain contexts, e.g., the English
narrative present: "Yesterday I had the strangest experience: I'm at the
store, when up comes ..."
The point I am making is that the core meaning is not cancelled by a few
counter-examples. We would not take the above English example to argue
that
English is a tenseless language. Likewise, since 93% of wayyiqtols have
past
reference (according to Rolf), we should be wary of using a few
counter-examples (e.g., wayyiqtol referring to the present or future) to
argue that Hebrew was a tenseless language. It may well be that Hebrew did
not inflect its verbs to indicate tense, but one can't simply say "because
any verb form can be used with any time reference, Hebrew verbs are not
inflected for tense." By this argument, Hebrew verbs would not be
inflected
for aspect either, or for modality. (This reminds me of Sperber's theory!)
Here I think I disagree with Rolf's approach (if I understand it
correctly;
"Statistics based on quantities can demonstrate what verb forms are not,
but
can hardly
demonstrate what the verbs are, that is, the semantic meaning of the
conjugations."): statistics ARE the key to the core meaning, the
prototypical feature set, if you will. This is how we learn language as
children, this is how lexicographers establish lexical meaning, and this
is
the approach I use in my dissertation.

Ken Penner
McMaster/Hebrew







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